Tim Tebow.
Long applauded by the media as a front runner for the Heisman. Now, after the unfortunate (and clearly medically ill advised) decision by Oregon's Mike Bellotti to play Dennis Dixon, the probable winner.
Tim Tebow.
White America's desperate attempt to win back the QB position.
Over the past few years, as we have watched Negro QB's win the Heisman, the National Championship and be top draft picks, the white QB has taken a back seat as a bland and unappealing option behind center. Drop back. Read the defense. Throw to a probably Negro receiver. Or, simply hand off to a Negro running back. Not a whole lot of excitement or fan interest generated on behalf of the pale faced 5 step drop.
This season, we witnessed the brilliance of Andre Woodson, Dennis Dixon and Patrick White, clearly displaying the evolution of the position.
Dixon was in position to lead his Ducks to a BCS title birth. White now is in that position.
And that creates a difficult and upsetting scenario for the mainstream media and their need to pump up the precious white QB.
Unfortunately, early on in the season, the media put their chips on the wrong man.
Tebow was the big name on the returning National Champion. Clearly, he was a logical choice to trumpet as a front runner from day one. Certainly, in the media's infinite wisdom, it seemed logical that the Gators would be a tough team and playing at the top of the SEC would give them the chance to mention Tebow and Heisman in as many sentences and stories as possible. Can't really fault them for making Tebow the target of their affection.
The only problem? A guy that got little mention for the first half of the season is leading an out of nowhere team on a possible BCS title run. And he has been the better player. And he isn't a system QB.
That's right.
Chase Daniels of Missouri should be the man the media is touting. Should be, that is, if we choose to discount that Dennis Dixon hasn't already shown us enough to stake his claim as the best player in the land.
Tebow is a fine player. A good player.
However, let's call it like it is. If we are told by the media that Colt Brennan of Hawai'i and Graham Harrell of Texas Tech must be discounted as legitimate Heisman candidates because they are 'system' QB's; then we must add Tim Tebow to that list of system QB's.
Tebow is playing in a system developed by Urban Meyer that was able to fool the NFL into making Alex Smith a number one pick. A system that was able to turn Chris Leak, who received more than his share of negative reviews, into a national champion.
If we are going to attribute Brennan's numbers to June Jones' run and shoot and Harrell's numbers to Mike Leach's offensive playbook, then let's give the credit for Tebow's astounding touchdown numbers to Urban Meyer.
And, while Meyer's system may not produce the constant records that are generated by the others, he certainly seems to have taken the least talent at QB and done the most with it.
Meyer pulled the wool over our eyes with Smith. Then he conjured a National title with the much maligned Leak.
Now, possibly his piece de resistance:
Taking a modestly talented white QB and using his system to help him perform an admirable impression of a Negro QB.
Tim Tebow, the ultimate system QB.
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why is it that black qb's who run option type offenses and actually lead their teams to titles and title games (ie, turner gill, jemelle holliway, tommie frazier, etc...) don't get heisman votes...but white boys that come along and run the option get trophies, crouch and maybe now tebow???
"why is it that black qb's who run option type offenses and actually lead their teams to titles and title games (ie, turner gill, jemelle holliway, tommie frazier, etc...) don't get heisman votes...but white boys that come along and run the option get trophies, crouch and maybe now tebow???"
I suppose since the black qb's are going first in the draft, the white qb's need a little something to make them feel good.
The antithesis of the college commentator fawning and the draft results for white qb's must be maddening!
Valid arguments all, but it's like figure skating (unfortunately). Subjective and imprecise.
Kind of like the mythical national championship. Give me a playoff for the teams and mano y mano for the Heisman finalists in a UFC match. Just kidding, none want to fight Run DMC.
I'm a gator homer, but not stupid. The Alex Smith comparison hurts, maybe a bit too much. That said, I think, think, think Tebow will be better than Smith in the long run. Only time will tell.
"Chase Daniels of Missouri should be the man the media is touting."
I completely disagree with every one of your points. Tim Tebow is the second coming of Superman. And if you're trying to convince people that Chase is the best candidate at least you would have the sense to know his name. CHASE DANIEL...not DANIELS.
Are you retarded? Seriously. I want to know.
Tim Tebow is a raw talent. Urban Meyer's system is built around him, not the other way around. The kid benches 400 plus pounds, runs a 4.6 40, has a near perfect passer rating and maintains a 3.77 GPA at UF of all places (no easy feat).
He's 9-3 in the regular season his first year starting with a shell of last year's championship defense. He's already done what no other QB has ever done before in college football. Think about that for a second. He's a sophomore and has done more with one season than any other QB in the history of the sport...EVER!
He's not just good for a sophomore - he's good for anybody at any level.
These are not mediocre accomplishments. His performance has been downright tremendous, and the only way he doesn't win the Heisman is if they view him as being too young.
He is, however, the best all around player in college football this season, period. Which is why he deserves the trophy. Being Black or white matters not. Those other guys are good too, but not Tebow good. Not even close.
"Tim Tebow is a raw talent. Urban Meyer's system is built around him, not the other way around."
Sir, you sound to be a bit tipsy on Gator Aid.
Question for you...Was Meyer's system built around Leak last year? Or was Leak a product of the system?
Yea...thought so.
Nice try, though.
"And if you're trying to convince people that Chase is the best candidate at least you would have the sense to know his name."
Sir, we unreservedly regret the typo.
And, we assume your poor grammar in not appropriately using a comma in your sentence is a typo as well. Therefore, we won't bother to say that since you made a typo, it invalidates your argument.
That would just be a silly rebuttal, wouldn't it?
" He's a sophomore and has done more with one season than any other QB in the history of the sport...EVER!"
Sir?
More than ever?
He's run for more yards than any QB ever?
Thrown for more yards than any QB ever?
Won more games?
Had more completion?
Had the highest completion percentage?
Thrown the fewest INTs?
Thrown the most TDs?
Hmmmm? Really?
And here, we thought all he'd done was score all his teams touchdowns cause they had no one else that could.
Imagine that.
We had NO idea he had had the best season EVER.
You don't live in Gainesville by any chance, do you?
" 3.77 GPA at UF of all places (no easy feat)"
Sir, before you start nominating Mr. Tebow for a Rhodes Scholarship...please mention that his major is Family and Community Service.
Basking weaving was fulled up.
pat white and dixon are themselves products of systems -- they are much more option-oriented than anything uf runs. beyond that, they hand the ball off 20 times a game to legitimate 1st round pick running backs, a luxury tebow doesnt have.
if woodson didnt disappear during games (see mississippi state, georgia, and south carolina), i agree, he'd be a definite heisman candidate. by the way, he's been successful as a pocket passer, something it appears you consider traditionally "white."
as far as attributing tebow's popularity to a media plot, i think you're way off base. he's consistently put up great numbers and put a team with a weak defense in the most competitive conference in the country on his back.
The fact of the matter is this. the one thing that black America has going for them is sports and entertainment, so when a white guy dominates them in sports. they get upset and scream racism like there is some grand conspiracey to keep you down. The best QBs in the NFL have always been white, are white, and will always be white. and now we have a white QB in college that runs better than all the black qbs combined and can do something the they cant. it's called throwing the ball. Dont be upset though. there will another black affirmative action QB come along in the next few years.
Oh yeah, lgf? you sit there trying to be racist and educated, while you have a pic of a white girl on your screen? who you trying to fool.
Oh yeah, lgf? you sit there trying to be racist and educated, while you have a pic of a white girl on your screen? who you trying to fool.
"and now we have a white QB in college that runs better than all the black qbs combined"
pat white sends his regards from the BCS title game...
"The fact of the matter is this. the one thing that black America has going for them is sports and entertainment, so when a white guy dominates them in sports. they get upset and scream racism like there is some grand conspiracey to keep you down."
well, it beats what whitey does. when it looks like a black guy is gonna dominate a white positiong (ie, QB) whitey puts him in JAIL!
"pat white and dixon are themselves products of systems"
really, seemed like Oregon ran a very different offense when they had Harrington and other guys at QB. And what other great running/throwing QB has WVU produced under Rodriguez?
The facts are against you. Meyer's offense has produced the QB's at the college level. Bellotti and Rodriguez have adjusted their offenses to the QB's.
Tebow is pure SYSTEM!
"while you have a pic of a white girl on your screen? who you trying to fool."
clearly not you.
you are beyond fooling.
The product of the system argument is a pretty shallow one. The only reason Tim Tebow became the first QB in the history of College football to both run and pass for 20+ tds is his system. That is the only reason? Talent had nothing to do with it.
So essentially what you're saying is that if Chase Daniel was the Gators Quarterback he too, with his not so impressive speed, would have 20+ rushing touchdowns. He too would be utilized as the goalline running back. For some reason I doubt this.
Maybe the system is built for a strong fast athletic quarterback who can additionally throw the ball and Tebow just happened to fit the criteria.
In essence you are criticizing Tebow for finding an offense that perfectly fit his talents and having an intelligent coach. Did you ever think that maybe just maybe they recruited Tebow because of the fit?
Or maybe it's that Rich Rodriguez, Gary Pinkel, and the rest are not very good offensive minds, run piss poor offensive schemes and Daniel, White and everybody else should get bonus points for shining under such poor coaching staffs.
Tebow is part system and part schedule.
Pat White can run, but his throwing isn't great.
Dixon was probably the most important to his team, see last 7 quarters, but got hurt and will be screwed.
The NFL now only cares about 1 color and its GREEN!!!
If you can't make decisions in less than a second and keep yourself out of jail, then you can not be an NFL QB. Defenses are too fast and too diciplined to allow for a spread QB to be successful unless he can throw well, accurate, on time to the right receiver. Does it matter that Kyle Boller can throw it through the uprights from his knees from the 50?
i agree with that, and id also like to reaffirm that meyer didnt make tebow who he is.
tebow was an all-american qb coming out of hs recruited by everyone. to think that somehow meyer's scheme determines tebow's success is incorrect. it's a great match because it takes advantage of tebow's throwing and running.
what i meant when i said dixon and white are system qbs i didnt mean that they fit into a preexisting system, but that the offenses that wvu and oregon are running are tailored to them. imagine dixon or white trying to run a pass-first offense -- that notion is laughable. frankly, the threat of their running is what makes their passing possible. on the other hand, i think tebow would be successful at schools like usc or michigan which run more traditional, pocket-oriented offenses.
i dont mean to take anything away from dixon or white -- i love watching them and i look forward to hopefully seeing white in a bcs game, but in comparing their overall talent to tebow's, i find them lacking. it's true that tebow is especially successful because of the unique system meyer runs, but i think he'd be successful in any type of offense, while white and dixon would be totally ineffective as pure pocket passers
You forget, that Tebow AND Leak were playing substantial time last year, and if we are going to talk about 1st round busts at QB, there are plenty of those to go around, black or white. I would also disagree that Tim Tebow is "moderately talented". I agree that if Dixon didn't get injured, he deserves the Heisman, but Tebow has played some of the toughest D's in the country, and still put up historic stats. Chase Daniel plays in a conference with such excellent defenses as Nebraska and K-State. Tebow had to play against LSU, UT and UGA, all of whom have very good defenses. Which brings me to another problem with your argument. What else changed that allowed UF to win a national championship? Tim Tebow was there.
In conclusion...
Racism is still in sports (I won't dispute that), but Tim Tebow deserves the Heisman at least over Chase Daniel (maybe not McFadden).
"Question for you...Was Meyer's system built around Leak last year? Or was Leak a product of the system?"
Actually, Meyer was very forthcoming with the fact that he was unable to run his style of offense 100% because Leak was a pocket passer and not a running QB. To me, that sounds like the system adjusting to the QB, not vice versa. That's not a try, that's a fact. "Try" getting your head out of your ass before responding next time.
"He's a sophomore and has done more with one season than any other QB in the history of the sport...EVER!"
I apologize if this was taken out of context. I did not mean to imply that he has broken every record ever set in every category, though I can see how it sounded that way. I was simply drawing attention to the fact that he has achieved something in his first year starting that no other QB has achieved in ANY year starting. He also broke the single season rushing TD record in the SEC. What records have Dixon and White broken this season?
That aside, his other numbers are nothing to scoff at. He has either passed for or scored on foot 306 points so far this season. That's a contribution of 25.5 points per game from just one person. The kid is a dynamo and you're foolish to think he's just another "white boy" prop for the college football media to salivate over.
And one more thing: do you have any experience with the college of Family, Youth and Community Services at the University of Florida? I didn't think so. It happens to be the same college where you learn to treat the mentally insane, help abused or neglected children find safe homes and counsel troubled youth and drug addicts, just to name a few. No, it's not Nuerology, but it's definitly not basket weaving either. It also happens to be a subject he has been involved with for years, weather it be visiting and speaking at his parent's missions or giving motivational speeches to prisoners, he digs helping people. What do Dixon and White do?
Jason, Sir, we are not capable of being retarded. We're notorious diabetics but we are certainly not retarded around here.
And Fiasco, sir, why can't a black man have a picture of a white girl as his avatar? Maybe she has a large ass and hates her parents.
I hate Florida, butam smart enough to see that the numbers don't lie. Good effort though keep racism alive! I can't believe that you think there is some consiracy, but then again, I guess you need to look at things that way.
Just wanted to make sure you guys knew that it was Daniel not Daniels...My mighty Mizzou needs all the love they can get.
I wish I could stick around but I gotta run to Walgreens and pick up some L.A. Looks gel before tonight's big game. Go Toros!
-Quin Synder
1. Chris Leak won three state championships and lost 1 game in high school. He was the #26 prospect in the nation coming out of hs and set a SEC record as freshmen starter, going 6-3 including beating the national champions LSU. It's not like he was just some scrub when Urban Meyer came in.
2. Alex Smith was drafted #1 more on his combine workouts then his performance at Utah anyways. Urban Meyer didn't fool anybody into thinking he was 6-4, ran a 4.7, and had a cannon for an arm, they saw it for themselves in person.
3. Tebow shouldn't win the heisman because of his TD totals, he should win it because he is the best QB/RB in college right now. He carries his team on his back, leading them to the #10 overall ranking in the country and a 9-3 record in the toughest conference in college. He is more important to his team then any other player in college right now.
Why does everything have to do w/ race w/ black Muslims? Geez, some of your own killed one of the greatest men, let me spell it out for you: Malcolm X.
Tim Tebow is a manimal, I don't care if he's the colour purple. I love to watch black QBs (I've seen most of the best and don't ever forget J.C. Watts who was Doug Flutie before Flutie and never got a chance at an NFL career but had a rifle) and I'm partial to Darren McFadden winning the Heisman but to discredit a great player like Tebow only shows how blind by a person's colour you really are, Mr. Writer.
Wow I smell blatant African American Racism. When will this double standard be eliminated? Tim Tebow is the first college player ever to be a 20/20 man. 20+ TDs thrown, and 20+ TDs rushed. I dont care what color you are, that is incredible. Lets give credit to where credit is due. Tebow, Mcfadden, Dixson, and White are all deserving, but which one is the most valuable to his team, and which one is the most dominant player. Racism will never stop as long as it is continued to be procurred from either side, black or white.
"Or maybe it's that Rich Rodriguez, Gary Pinkel, and the rest are not very good offensive minds, run piss poor offensive schemes and Daniel, White and everybody else should get bonus points for shining under such poor coaching staffs."
Sir, Pinkel and Rodriguez will send Meyer a card from the BCS births...piss poor indeed.
Were you touting Leak as the greatest QB of all time last season when he was in Meyer's scheme....like Tebow, with few weapons around him...LEADING HIS TEAM TO THE NATIONAL TITLE?
Honestly, sir. You Gator fans are very transparent.
"to think that somehow meyer's scheme determines tebow's success is incorrect. "
Sir, Meyer's scheme made Alex Smith a number on draft pick. Meyers scheme turned all you Gator fans who wanted Chris Leak off the field into Leak fans when he won you a title.
The evidence is indisputable.
Tebow=Brennan=Harrell= SYSTEM QB's.
"Tebow, Mcfadden, Dixson, and White are all deserving, but which one is the most valuable to his team, and which one is the most dominant player. "
Sir, we assume this is somewhat of a rhetorical? Yes?
Cause, it's clear. The answer is Dixon. BCS top 2 with him. Losing to Arizon and UCLA without him. It doesn't get more dominant or valuable than that. Tebow never had his team at the top.
So, yes.
We agree with your rhetorical question and the criteria you have set.
You make an excellent case that Dennis Dixon is the Heisman winner.
THank you for you clear support.
"You forget, that Tebow AND Leak were playing substantial time last year,"
Sir, we reject your revisionist history.
Yes. Tebow played last season.
SUBSTANTIAL TIME? Sir, you transparent attempt to devalue Leak's leadership as the starting QB is pitiful. Substantial time? Sir we just checked several box scores from last season and describing Tebow's time under center as SUBSTANTIAL is fully and unfairly misleading.
We wonder if Leak had been a white QB if you would say that both Leak and Tebow saw SUBSTANTIAL time under center last year.
More than likely not.
We see right through you.
"1. Chris Leak won three state championships and lost 1 game in high school. He was the #26 prospect in the nation coming out of hs and set a SEC record as freshmen starter, going 6-3 including beating the national champions LSU. It's not like he was just some scrub when Urban Meyer came in. "
Sir????
Freshman starter???
We don't follow the Gator's that closely, but wasn't LAST YEAR his freshman season? And wasn't Chris Leak the starter?
And, while you bring up that Tebow had an excellent high school career...we are pretty sure that he didnt beat LSU in high school...and would have had too...because, he was in high school when LSU won the National Title.
In short:
You're nuts.
"He is more important to his team then any other player in college right now."
Sir, Oregon, who would clearly be #1 in the BCS at this point if they hadn't lost to Arizona and UCLA after Dixon got hurt laughs at you louder than we do.
"Tim Tebow is a manimal, I don't care if he's the colour purple."
Sir:
i. take your Anglo-fied spelling of 'color' elsewhere. We don't play that here.
ii. Your dig at one of the most treasured Negro movies of all time, "The Color Purple", is uncalled for.
wow, Gator fans sure love them some Tebow.
Seriously, after the way Oregon was set up for a BCS title shot ans then it all fell apart when Dixon went out is overwhelming evidence that Dixon is the top dog out there.
Tebow NEVER had his squad inline for the title.
we need some perspective here.
best season in HISTORY????
Folks, it's not even the best season in Gator's history.
Yes, he has had an amazing year.
But, the fact he has scored so many touchdowns is more related to the fact that the offense doesn't have any one else in the backfield that can break the goal line.
"The kid benches 400 plus pounds"
Sir, I bench 450.
Where's my Heisman?
I have never read such blatently racist remarks about athletes. Tim Tebow is an amazing talent sorrounded by other talented players such as Percy Harvin and Bubba Caldwell. The idea that the media is pushing a white quarterback is rediculous.
This message should be a clear wake up call to quit trying to interject racism in everything that isn't 95% black.
Give me a break fellas... It's time we all grow up and see that if something walks like a duck and quacks; it's probably a duck!
This whole thread is an absolute joke. If dixon was still playing, he would win the heisman- no doubt. But he isn't. That's like saying that A-Rod should win the MVP of MLB if he only played 2/3 of the season. It's irrational. Furthermore, like it has already been pointed out, Dixon and White are just as much system QB's as Tebow, Harrell, and Brennan. You have to find an offense that fits your skills. Putting Ichiro at cleanup would be a dumbass move. All of these QB's have found systems that fit their abilities. Tebow has put up some incredible numbers and since he has played all the games (albeit a few injured) he has more of a claim that Dixon this year. It's unfortunate, but it is the truth. This racism BS is rediculous. The Heisman knows no color (or colour). Look at the past few years and you can see it. Two teammates- both two of the best players in the country- COMPLETELY different. Why can't we all just accept that the best player could be EITHER color? The best player isn't gonna be the same race ever year.
"I guess you need to look at things that way.
"
Sir, agreed.
Like you, we are only human (although, we are the original human, and can only see things the way that they truly are.
Thank you for supporting our vision.
"I have never read such blatently racist remarks about athletes."
Sir, we take it you haven't followed the Barry Bonds or Mick Vick sagas?
"The idea that the media is pushing a white quarterback is rediculous. "
Sir, we appreciate your clever and 'ridiculous' misspelling of 'ridiculous'. Clearly, as a means to highlight the ridiculousness involved? Right?
""The idea that the media is pushing a white quarterback is rediculous. "
Yea, cause the mainstream media has never jocked white athletes...
"It's time we all grow up and see that if something walks like a duck and quacks; it's probably a duck!"
Sir, so you agree!
And in clever fashion!
The Oregon Duck, Dennis Dixon should get the Heisman.
Huzzah for your clever word play!
"The best player isn't gonna be the same race ever year."
Sir, really. It's almost adorable. Your naivety.
The best player has been the same race for many years. Many years.
It's cute how you argue otherwise with such verve. If you were a chick, we'd say you have moxie.
Are you a chick?
"Oh yeah, lgf? you sit there trying to be racist and educated, while you have a pic of a white girl on your screen? who you trying to fool."
Ah! My cover has been blown! In reality, I am not the racist I profess to be. I have shamed myself and my family. I will now seek solace in a bosom not unlike the one in my pic. Please, pray for me.
"That's like saying that A-Rod should win the MVP of MLB if he only played 2/3 of the season."
Sir, 2/3 of the season?
The man has missed a mere two games.
Again, you Gators fans and your shady math.
Don't know whether it is blatant bias....or the dubious UF education.
"1. Chris Leak won three state championships and lost 1 game in high school. He was the #26 prospect in the nation coming out of hs and set a SEC record as freshmen starter, going 6-3 including beating the national champions LSU. It's not like he was just some scrub when Urban Meyer came in. "
Sir????
Freshman starter???
We don't follow the Gator's that closely, but wasn't LAST YEAR his freshman season? And wasn't Chris Leak the starter?
And, while you bring up that Tebow had an excellent high school career...we are pretty sure that he didnt beat LSU in high school...and would have had too...because, he was in high school when LSU won the National Title.
In short:
You're nuts.
Hey nation of islam, if you read the post at the top it says Chris Leak pretty clearly not Tim Tebow. Chris Leak started as a freshmen and then every year after that. The point was that Chris Leak wasn't turned into a great player by Urban Meyer, he was already an established successful quarterback.
I did not mention anything about Tim Tebow in high school (although he was a heavily recruited prospect) nor did I mention him beating LSU, so please don't make anything else up. Oh and yes... Chris Leak beat the national champion LSU Tigers... in their home stadium... in 2003... when he was a freshmen.
In short:
You need to do some research.
Sounds like you people in the Nation of Islam really have nothing to do that is of any relevnce so you bitch about who is winning the Heisman. I mean for what is supposed to be considered a legitimate group within our culture, you really look pathetic. The men who formed the foundation of your ideas are rolling over in their graves right now. Find something else to complain about.
Oh and by the way, Tebow had better stats than Dixon before he went down (both rushing and passing). And lets also be honest with ourselves, if any white QB was the frontrunner for this illustrious title, you would be downing him too. It truly boggles my mind that people with racist ideas such as yours get away with ignorant comments by calling themselves visionaries.
Go ahead and pull one small line from this post and do all you can to contradict it in order to look as if you won this debate. In all reality, you know how biased, untrue and irrelevant your argument really is.
P.S. When you fundraise for your organization, I would avoid showing something that is as much of a waste of time as this blog is.
"You need to do some research."
Sir, agreed.
And you fortify our point that Meyer's system is responsible.
Thanks for that.
"Find something else to complain about."
Sir, let's get this straight...
You are complaining to us about our 'complaining'?
Umm..ok. Scold us for 'complaining' through your very own complaint?
That discredits your. It devalues your attempt to lodge a complaint. If you won't accept others' 'complaints', why should yours be looked at as pertinent?
"Oh and by the way, Tebow had better stats than Dixon before he went down (both rushing and passing)."
Sir, and when Eric Crouch won the Heisman MANY QB's had better stats.
Since when has stats been the only barometer for the Heisman?
Clearly, only when you choose to align yourself with White America and fall in place with what they demand.
Listen....you hear it?
They are calling you up at the big house.
Go on.
Go ahead.
We know that is where you want to be.
Just be sure to go in throught the back door.
"P.S. When you fundraise for your organization, I would avoid showing something that is as much of a waste of time as this blog is."
Sir, agreed.
Someone might see your Uncle Tom post here.
As far as I can tell I can spell colour however I wish, it's a free country, thank God! I don't think it's necessarily Anglican, I believe the original term is Latin! ; )
http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:R0whBD4gTzIJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences+colour%2BLatin+spelling&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
And I wasn't trying to take a dig at the great movie, "The Color Purple", sorry you made that connection.
As for Barry Bonds what pray tell has he done for the African-American community at large? I really do NOT understand why black folks support him. His tainted record-breaking exploits undermined one of the greatest ambassadors of baseball, Henry Aaron, and whose book made him a saint in my eyes after learning of his fortitude, perseverance, and class in the face of the utmost, blatant racism one person has probably faced in his lifetime. BB can't carry Mr. Aaron's jock when it comes to being a great human being PERIOD!
oh my...
build it and they will come..
My point on Tebow being the most valuable has to do with the fact that if he wasn't on the team, the gators would probably be near the bottom of the SEC instead of being ranked the #10 team in the country. Their whole entire offense revolves around him. I think more then any other player, his loss would be felt the most, although the loss of Dixon has certainly hurt Oregon.
"And you fortify our point that Meyer's system is responsible.
Thanks for that."
How? You just said that based on absolutely nothing. Your just making things up now.
You're right... Dixon has only missed 2 games... as of yet. But by the end of the season it will be 4 games (though only 3 will count for the Heisman vote). So, he will have missed at least 1/4 of the season regardless of how you view it. In my mind (and most of the voters as well), the most important part for a heisman candidate. Unfortunate, but it is the truth. James describes you to a T. Pathetic. You do a disservice to yourself by carrying around a bunch of misplaced anger that no one but yourself is responsible for. It isn't 'whitey' but rather you that is responsible for your problems. Good luck with that.
"As far as I can tell I can spell colour however I wish, it's a free country, thank God! I don't think it's necessarily Anglican, I believe the original term is Latin! ; )"
Sir, clearly we spoke over your head.
The -ou- spelling is the English, or Anglo way of spelling it. As opposed to the -o- spelling. Which is the Americanized version.
As for this country being free...?
If that were true, Dennis Dixon would not be being denied his civil rights in this Heisman 'race'.
Good day.
"How? You just said that based on absolutely nothing. Your just making things up now."
Sir, no.
You pointed out how great Leak was. Yet, he didn't accomplish great things til his senior year.
When he was plugged into Meyer's system.
See, when he played for Zook, you guys didn't like him or think he was great. You like to forget those years. Those 8-4 years.
Leak + Meyers System = Revisionist History
"In my mind (and most of the voters as well)"
Sir, did you just attempt to portray yourself as a Heisman voter?
Please, stop that charade.
"You do a disservice to yourself by carrying around a bunch of misplaced anger that no one but yourself is responsible for"
Sir, what anger?
We made a simple post.
YOu are the one that came here to make angry comments.
We share love and righteousness.
You bear the pain of the truth.
Hence your vitriole and mean spirited attempts to malign our mighty pen.
"How? You just said that based on absolutely nothing. Your just making things up now."
Sir, no.
You pointed out how great Leak was. Yet, he didn't accomplish great things til his senior year.
When he was plugged into Meyer's system.
See, when he played for Zook, you guys didn't like him or think he was great. You like to forget those years. Those 8-4 years.
Leak + Meyers System = Revisionist History"
I pointed out the fact that he set an SEC freshmen record for a 6-3 record as a starter and beat the eventual national champion team at their home stadium. Those are pretty great things, in fact things that NOBODY else has done.
And how do you know that I didn't like him when he played for Zook? You just made something else up. If you're going to make all of these statements you might as well back them up with truth.
"It isn't 'whitey' but rather you that is responsible for your problems. "
Sir, agreed.
Our ancestors jumped on ships and chained themselves.
Then demanded to be segregated.
Then demanded 'separate but equal' education.
And, specifically requested that they be denied civil rights.
Yes indeed.
Some times you must be careful for that which you ask.
Nation of Islam is an attention whore. The reason for this blog is not to enlighten people with different thoughts other than His/Her own, but rather to use a hot button issue to try and prove His/Her intelligence. Your arguing skills are weak, when all you do is thank those that post on your site for agreeing with you. This whole site is spiraling into inane rambling, instead of productive communication.
"Nation of Islam is an attention whore. The reason for this blog is not to enlighten people with different thoughts other than His/Her own, but rather to use a hot button issue to try and prove His/Her intelligence. Your arguing skills are weak, when all you do is thank those that post on your site for agreeing with you. This whole site is spiraling into inane rambling, instead of productive communication."
Sir, agreed.
Thank you.
" but rather to use a hot button issue "
umm, yea, this is big hot button issue. the mainstream media has made a huge deal out of Tebow being white.
and YOU are saying NOIS has weak arguing skills?
sheesh
Hey NOIS:
Thanks. You proved my point.
- See I can do it too.
"Nation of Islam is an attention whore. The reason for this blog is not to enlighten people with different thoughts other than His/Her own..."
Excuse my ignorance, but how could NOIS "enlighten" people with thoughts that are NOT his own? Are your thoughts your own?
"- See I can do it too."
not very well...
"Thanks. You proved my point. "
Sir, then your point must have been that Tebow is a system QB.
Glad we agree
the real crime in all this is that RUN DMC is the real winner!
"Nation of Islam is an attention whore. The reason for this blog is not to enlighten people with different thoughts other than His/Her own, but rather to use a hot button issue "
right on man!
if you are gonna blog, you should do it ultra low profile and try and avoid topics people want to discuss!
James, why delete your post?
James has left a new comment on your post "Tim Tebow: System QB = Systemic Heisman":
My ancestors didn't chain yours into a boat or sell them as slaves. Mine came in a boat as well. Only difference is mine came to this country and worked for their position in society while yours still have the proverbial hand extended looking for something free.
Goodbye Sir!!!!!!
Sir, we reread our original post.
Seem to have missed the part in which we asked for something for free.
Interesting that YOU saw it.
nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...
"Sir, then your point must have been that Tebow is a system QB.
Glad we agree"
You've done nothing to prove this point at all. You've just repeatedly made false statements and then changed the subject. The whole blog is about how you feel Tim Tebow is not a great quarterback and just a product of his system, and yet you have not even come close to proving this.
I deleted it because I decided I was lowering myself to your tactics of painting an entire race with a broad brush. The majority of african americans are great people. Your whole existence makes it difficult to keep that in mind. Enjoy your miserable life. I'm Out.
"The whole blog is about how you feel Tim Tebow is not a great quarterback and just a product of his system, and yet you have not even come close to proving this."
Sir, actually, you missed the point.
The point revolves around Brennan and Harrell moreso than Tebow....
" Enjoy your miserable life."
Sir, our lives aren't so miserable that we must lower ourselves to argue on others' blogs.
Really....not to get overly personal...but YOU, sir, are one hell of a loser to be doing that.
Ouch.
ah yes the fact that you mentioned Harrell and Brennan two times in your blog as opposed to Tim Tebow, who is featured in the title, the first sentence, as well as mentioned 9 times during your blog, as well as being the main topic in nearly the entire article, clearly shows you intended for the article to be about Harrell and Brennan. Once again, you have failed to prove any point whatsoever except for the fact that you are now just looking for excuses to get out of this argument that you cannot win.
This guy is feeding off the attention we are giving him because of his ridiculous ideas. Just checked his profile. He has 2,000 views this whole year. I have had more on my myspace profile in the past 3 months. He is doing something truly irrelevant. If a tree falls in the forest.......
In fact lets just blog about something other than the topic. Anybody watch Iron Chef. I sure enjoy that show.
CSI Miami is on my DVR. David Caruso is a really bad actor
I recently traveled to Italy. I stayed in a region called Cinque Terre. Maybe the most beautiful place I have ever been.
I also visited Tuscany. When the Medici family ruled the region, there was an embargo on salt. They no longer salted their bread. To this day their bread remains unsalted. You would not believe how important salt's role is in flavorful bread. Truly Vital
The game is still scoreless in Pittsburgh late in the 4th. I am guessing it has something to do with the weather.
Its like 80 degrees where I live
My friend's dog is 12 years old. What is that in dog years?
I got a new toothbrush a week ago. It is made by Oral B
My little brother dressed as a Native American at school the other day. It was for Thanksgiving. He is three years old.
I am getting a cold. I have been using that Airborne stuff, but I think I need to just start treating it instead of preventing it.
My favorite season of the Real World was Boston. I enjoyed Sean and Cyrus together. They were troublemakers, but a lot of fun to watch
The editor of this piece is the definition of a moron.
The reality is that EVERY QB is a system QB. Is Meyer even going to recruit someone who is 5'11" and runs the forty in 5.1 seconds?
Do you think there is a reason Tebow decided to NOT go play under the center @ Alabama? He would struggle to put up 200 yards passing a game in that offense.
The difference is strength of schedule. Hawaii is constantly in the borrom of the country. Texas Tech is consistently around the 60s, Florida is in the top 10 on a yearly basis.
Go ask the head ball coach @ WVU if he plays on recruiting the next Peyton Manning mold, i'm sure he will laugh at your stupidity.
Yet, lets not give Tebow the Heisman because he is a system QB but consider giving it to Brennan, or Pat White?
Are you a fucking moron?
Rosie O'Donnell came to my house when I was 6 or something. She was a VH1 VJ at the time, but she was in town to do a celebrity appearance for a charity my dad ran. She watched me ride my green huffy bike around our cul-de-sac.
Uhh Andre' is half white and is by no means the evolution of the position...He's slow, strong-armed, precise, and...slow. He's a one dimensional QB just like countless other white quarterbacks. Don't just bunch all of these black QBs together. They aren't ALL mobile like they used to be.
Tim Tebow is the agile, strong, physical, has size AND has a strong arm. Forget the system. Either way, this guy will be a bona fide star. Get off of your high horse.
"I deleted it because I decided I was lowering myself to your tactics"
And this is you taking the high road?
Oops that wasn't the most proper english there. I sound like the Miss South Carolina beauty queen saying "the Iraq." but you get my point (I hope).
Cut Tebow some slack. Isn't every offense a system? A pro-style system is still a system. You could maybe say he operates under an unorthodox scheme, but you can't ignore obvious talent.
"Here is some more high road for you. LGF, who are those two pigs on your profile pic?"
Pigs. Thats funny. Why do you keep clicking on it?
I deleted again.
Alright, back to real life. Its been fun
You obviously did not check that link I posted (colour is from the Latin) but it doesn't matter, underneath our body paint, the "colors" are the same.
You should've argued someone besides Tebow though, I personally do not have much love for UF but I think that guy's talent speaks volumes. Chris Leak? One of the most overrated HS players ever, but hands down it's that Clausen kid at ND now.
Dixon is a very good player but you can't argue that just because Oregon fell flat on their faces after he gets hurt is the only reason they tanked. 1. The backup QB (Leaf) was mediocre at best and then he goes down. 2. The backups after that didn't do squat. 3. And I think a lot of the Quack players got their hearts broke losing to Zona and just packed it in.
I like Dixon and think he's exciting and effective QB but he isn't in Tebow's class IMO. He's not in McFadden's class as far as athletes are concerned, not many guys are but I still say LOUD and WIDE because he's from my HS, Felix Jones ain't getting no love - VERY UNDERRATED.
"Once again, you have failed to prove any point whatsoever except for the fact that you are now just looking for excuses to get out of this argument that you cannot win."
Sir, the point is already won.
And Tebow has proven it.
As have you.
Your desire to get caught up in the obvious has made you oblivious.
"The reality is that EVERY QB is a system QB. Is Meyer even going to recruit someone who is 5'11" and runs the forty in 5.1 seconds?"
Sir, no he didn't recruit Leak.
But he won a Title with him.
"You obviously did not check that link I posted (colour is from the Latin)"
Sir, and is used by the English.
'Scuse us while we talk to our wall.
It has reasoning ability.
""Once again, you have failed to prove any point whatsoever except for the fact that you are now just looking for excuses to get out of this argument that you cannot win."
Sir, the point is already won.
And Tebow has proven it.
As have you.
Your desire to get caught up in the obvious has made you oblivious."
oh christ...another moron.
suh, the post isn't against tebow.
it's against discounting brennan or harrell (or anyone for being a system qb).
jesus. the point of the post is that there is no such thing as a system qb.
your density could protect you from radiation.
"The best player has been the same race for many years. Many years."
i will not argue the prevalence of african american athletes in sports and the higher skill level that many of them have. however, it is not as though every african american athlete is better than every athlete of every other race. it is widely agreed upon that the hardest position in sports is the quarterback and anyone could reasonably argue that peyton manning and tom brady are the best at the position. it is also widely accepted that the hardest single thing to do in sports is hit a baseball and one could also argue that alex rodriguez is the best at that. clearly, none of them are african american. i'm sure you will take this as a racist dig at african american athletes, but i assure you it is not.
much like you, i prefer to watch fast football players with the ability to cut on a dime and leap extraordinarily well. it just so happens that right now more african americans can do that. please do not try to say that no athlete of another race is capable of those same things. it simply is not true. there are elite athletes of all races, accept it.
as for the heisman this year, mcfadden should win it. he is the most outstanding player in the country, far more outstanding than tebow, white, or dixon. if we are strictly speaking about the quarterback position, then i would go with tebow. i do not discredit white, as he is an explosive runner who has built up a more than capable passing attack. dixon, however, cannot be eligible. if he misses 3 out of 12 games that is missing 25% of his games. equivalences in other sports would be half of august and all of september in baseball and roughly 20 games in basketball and hockey. a player that misses so much cannot win the MVP or MOP award.
there are many other things wrong with your various posts, such as your utter disregard for the history of slavery in north american. who is it that sold africans into slavery? right, other africans. white america should be held responsible for what it has done, but awarding the heisman trophy to an outstanding athlete like tebow is in no way setting us back to the jim crow era. tebow has the best overall numbers.
there is no hope of changing your mind, but i hope you realize that it is okay for someone to think tebow is a worthy heisman trophy cadidate without that person being a racist.
NOIS
"Were you touting Leak as the greatest QB of all time last season when he was in Meyer's scheme....like Tebow, with few weapons around him...LEADING HIS TEAM TO THE NATIONAL TITLE?"
Jesus, help us. The Gator's defense led them to the mythical national chamionship last year. It sure as hell wasn't the offense. Ask Troy Smith. But the offense did expose OSU's slow motion defense in the title game.
That said, I would suit up 45 Tim Tebow's against 45 of any of the other candidates, except RUN DMC, and feel very confident in victory.
Toss up, McFadden or Tebow.
If Tebow were black you people would be doing backflips for him. Stop being racist.
Chris Leak couldn't hold Tebows jock. You think Meyer would ever let a frosh come in and run series' with Tebow now???
First off, I borderline loathe Florida, but you do make some interesting points. However, I think you are discounting the fact that Tebow brought with him a 5 star recruiting rating and holds virtually every QB record in the State of Florida. The other QBs you mention don't. Also, the numbers he has put up are so far out of this atmosphere, that skin color can hardly be used as the argument.
I would humbly submit to your audience that if the black QB spent as much time learning the game as they do running around the field, they would be taken more seriously and certainly would have more success in the NFL. But if you are a High School Coach are you going to take the time to teach a QB the nuances of the game even at that level when all you have to do is tell him the pull it down and run with it ? Probably not. The Coach wants to win and win now. That hurts the black QB in the long run.
As for your pale faced 5 step drop comments, I think the country is very excited to watch Peyton Manning and Tom Brady play football.
"Dixon was in position to lead his Ducks to a BCS title birth."
That should be 'berth.'
You made that mistake again in the comments, which leads me to believe you don't know the difference.
Now you do.
boy that tim tebow sure is fun to watch. did you see how he was running all over those african american gentlemen from florida state university on saturday? very nice indeed. i cant help it, i just want to yell out gooooooo white christian males!!!! and if anyone wants to join us ive got spare cardigans and chinos in the back.
but for real why so much vitriol over a sports blog? why cant everyone just enjoy all the great players and games this years given us? im a maryland alum but gd i enjoyed watching slaton devine and white running all over the field just as much as i like watching a beautifully thrown deep ball by andre woodson, tebow, or whoever the media darling du jour is. and its not just white guys that get the love in the media but it doesnt hurt a heisman candidacy either methinks. dont like it? get a journalism degree and start working to change it i guess; i dont know what else to tell you. everyone seems to be forgetting the most obvious aspect of this whole argument: who gives a f who wins the heisman? quite possibly the single most overhyped and irrelevant award ever.
"quite possibly the single most overhyped and irrelevant award ever."
Too true.
Case in point: relatively recent Heisman QBs Andre Ware (1989), Gino Torretta (1992), Charlie Ward (1993), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Chris Weinke (2000), Eric Crouch (2001), Jason White (2003), and Troy Smith (2006).
smart money's on matt leinart joining that elite company in the near future as well. who gets outplayed by kurt warners reanimated corpse?
A very distinct possibility.
"Or maybe it's that Rich Rodriguez, Gary Pinkel, and the rest are not very good offensive minds, run piss poor offensive schemes and Daniel, White and everybody else should get bonus points for shining under such poor coaching staffs."
That was meant as sarcasm, apparently you couldnt tell. If you're going to kill someone for playing well under his current coaching staff, then you are essentially demeaning the rest of the coaches in the country for not coming up with great schemes so that their quarterback can equally dominate.
let us all remember that this blog, including the comment responses by the authors, is written tongue in cheek...or tongue in labial lips; whatever your preference. everyone should check their racial biases at the door and enjoy the commentary from something more than an absolutely literal stance.
"i'm sure you will take this as a racist dig at african american athletes"
Sir, how could we take it any other way?
You wrote a comment that was longer than our original post to, line item by line item, try to degrade the accomplishments and impact of the Negro Athlete.
Certainly, it was well thought out and presented with an affected even handed 'voice'.
But, we choose to discount that and focus on your preemptive denial of racism.
To initiate a deflectory of bias before one is accused is an accepted sure sign of bias.
How dare you.
"That said, I would suit up 45 Tim Tebow's "
Sir, and what would you do with 45 players?
What sport are you even talking about?
"If Tebow were black you people would be doing backflips for him. "
Sir, and if Tebow were black you people would be trying to put him in jail.
"The Coach wants to win and win now. That hurts the black QB in the long run."
Sir, finally a lucid thought.
We, too, have made the point that most unsuccessful Negro QB's are a result of poor coaching.
"As for your pale faced 5 step drop comments, I think the country is very excited to watch Peyton Manning and Tom Brady play football."
Sir, the country is excited to watch Tom Brady throw to Randy Moss.
Don't get that twisted.
And the country is excited to watch Peyton make his famous Manning face when things don't go his way.
Don't get that twisted, either.
"im a maryland alum"
Sir, the academic cellar dwellars of the ACC.
"im a maryland alum"
"Sir, the academic cellar dwellars of the ACC."
Now that's funny!
True too.
Fear the Turtle.
Sirs,
your opinions of my alma mater, though unsolicited, are more than welcome in this arena of discourse and free speech. may i extend an invitation to you to employ one hand each in gaining carnal knowledge of one another in a vigorous fashion? ah, i see youre already sucking each other off anyway. bon appetit!
"Sirs,
your opinions of my alma mater, though unsolicited, are more than welcome in this arena of discourse and free speech. may i extend an invitation to you to employ one hand each in gaining carnal knowledge of one another in a vigorous fashion? ah, i see youre already sucking each other off anyway. bon appetit!"
Glad to see your sense of humor is intact...you cunning linguist.
did someone say pussy eatin'? sorry, i can suppress those college park tendencies for only so long.
"did someone say pussy eatin'?"
Hmmm. I wonder if our gracious host is familiar with the 'pencil method' for doing same?
If you are going to write please get the names right.
It's Chase Daniel not Daniels.
im sadly unfamiliar with the pencil method. perhaps you could enlighten us?
you sir are a racist
http://www.flickr.com/photos/62193789@N00/357502442/
This is why Tim Tebow should win the Heisman. Accurate, athletic, and apparently likes the titties.
I'm hispanic, so I could care less about whether it be a black or white player to win the Heisman. With that said, Tim Tebow should win the Heisman. His numbers do not lie. Especially because they come against the best, by far, conference in America. Dennis Dixon plays in the puss-ten and Daniel plays in the small 12, they should not even be looked at. It's either Tebow or Mcfadden, end of story. And you should all listen to me since I'm brown and brown = the best of whites and blacks put together!
Well written, but wholistically, I tend to disagree...not because I'm a Gator fan, but a college football fan.
There is vailidity in how America hails white players that display athleticism ususally reserved for black players (ie option type offenses, playing above the rim in hoops, etc.). I just don't believe this to be the case.
The numbers, however speak for themselves in the case of Tebow. In what most say is the best conference, he's dominated. The Chris Leak comparison is not a good one in my opinion. Leak is the antithesis of the stereotypical black qb in that he is a pure drop back passer that does not run well. Meyer tailored his offense for Leak...but Tebow was recruited as a better fit for his offense. Tebow set state records in passing yardage and td's in high school, but was an effective runner as well.
You can believe that Tebow should not win the heisman, for there are other players who are well-deserving. I would not be upset if Daniel, White, or McFadden got it...but Tebow has performed very well and is deserving as well. To say that Tebow is a system qb is not valid...and more importantly yet to be proven on the next level.
Tebow is a bad boy yall...yeah, he may get some extra hype...but don't get it twisted, WATCH his games and decide. The hype is warranted, just ask the SEC.
Wasn't Troy Smith black the Heisman winner that had his worst game ever in the NC? This guy is a friggin racist Putz !
It is pretty ironic that this guy's own argument on racism shows how racist he is.
If you are going to write please get the names right.
anthony, if you are going to post, try hitting Ctrl+F first. you're about a day late.
NOISb, you have once again exposed yourself as a 'modestly talented' sarcastic.
[nearly] everyone else:
http://imagesource5d.allposters.com/watermarker/14-1408-8MTP000Z.jpg
nois, what does 'gator bait' mean?
""NOISb, you have once again exposed yourself as a 'modestly talented' sarcastic."
Sir, coming from such an overwhelming talent as yourself, we can only relish this as the highest of praise.
You ,were being sacrcastic, right?
"your opinions of my alma mater, though unsolicited"
Sir, our mistake.
We interpreted your openly mentioning your alma mater as a solicitation for our opinion.
We didn't realize you meant it as a means to quantify your ignornance.
"the best of whites and blacks put together!"
trust me...the best whites ain't putting anything together with any blacks.
and, brown= poo.
remember that.
"There is vailidity in how America hails white players that display athleticism ususally reserved for black players (ie option type offenses, playing above the rim in hoops, etc.). I just don't believe this to be the case."
holy christ....hey professor, gilligan needs help cracking coconuts...go put that brain of yours to work on something useful.
""There is vailidity in how America hails white players that display athleticism ususally reserved for black players (ie option type offenses, playing above the rim in hoops, etc.). I just don't believe this to be the case.""
So, you are saying you don't believe in validity?
excellent.
Ummm.. People, the guy who wrote this article actually believes that the white man, (so called "white devil") was created by an evil scientist named "Dr. Yakub" for the sole purpose of tormenting black men for eternity.
I think we all need to put this in perspective here, and take from it the humor it has so generously provided us. Basically, if you cross the KKK with Scientology, you get the Nation of Islam. That in-and-of-itself is about as funny and entertaining as it gets.
Now, perhaps it IS true that Tim Tebow was created by a mad scientist for the purposes of tormenting defensive coordinators, but those coordinators are both "Negros" and "White Devils", so he should be allowed to win the Heisman, he being a equal opportunity tormentor.
"trust me...the best whites ain't putting anything together with any blacks."
The girl in my pic might say otherwise... TRUST ME.
"Basically, if you cross the KKK with Scientology, you get the Nation of Islam."
So, the NofI hates blacks?
"Basically, if you cross the KKK with Scientology, you get the Nation of Islam."
Sir, it you think that is funny...you should reread your post!
I knew the clown show would come sooner or later.
Dave the wave...just call yourself bozo...it's easier
al sharpton...THIS meaning the topic at hand...ie Tebow not deserving the heisman or being over-hyped. I know you were being a jackazz...but just in case you have sense, this is what I was referring to. What are you...the blog English teacher??
Those who like debate...respect.
...that is to say if you combine the unabashedly racist sentiment of a KKK and the complete delusional fantasy of a Scientology, what you get is The Nation of Islam.
"...that is to say if you combine the unabashedly racist sentiment of a KKK and the complete delusional fantasy of a Scientology, what you get is The Nation of Islam."
don't forget the $10,000.00 bean pies
"We didn't realize you meant it as a means to quantify your ignornance."
My Friend,
you are forgetting that the best offense is a good ignorance. as to what an "ignornance" is, i must profess my unfamiliarity. something high brow with a bowtie, perhaps?
NOIS,
Football? Is that the correct answer? Do I get a prize?
"...that is to say if you combine the unabashedly racist sentiment of a KKK and the complete delusional fantasy of a Scientology, what you get is The Nation of Islam."
Sir, except for one key thing.
NofI can't be racist.
Racism requires power.
ie, White power.
"you are forgetting that the best offense is a good ignorance."
Sir, well then...you are the New England Patriots of this thread.
While Chase Daniel has shown to be a good QB, one of the most impressive players that everyone seems to have forgotten about is Darrin McFadden at Arkansas. Why is no one still talking about him?
I'll say this for Dennis Dixon; he'd better get invited to the Heisman ceremony. Have you seen how badly his team has been performing since he was injured? They're a mess without him. If that's not a true sign of how valuable he is as a player and a leader, I don't know what is.
"how could we take it any other way?"
easily, actually. all i did was state that the best player is not always black. if you believe that black players are always the best then you sir have the racial superiority complex and are in fact lowering yourself to the moral standard of white bigots.
also, i whole heartedly believe randy moss is the most athletic football player on earth right now. however, that wes welker is pretty fun to watch too, wouldn't you agree? i'm also willing to bet he is a superior athlete to you, me, or anyone else on this blog.
finally, just so you don't make the mistake somewhere meaningful, deflectory is not a word in the english language.
"Sir, well then...you are the New England Patriots of this thread."
high praise indeed; to which i give thanks. i can only strive to be so to your '72 dolphins.
"Racism requires power.
ie, White power."
Yes, and the KKK, all seven of them, jobless, living reclusively in the woods of South Carolina, eating Spam & Beans, and dressing up and acting like complete idiots, have all the power.
I can see why I get no argument about "delusional."
"Yes, and the KKK, all seven of them, jobless, living reclusively in the woods of South Carolina, eating Spam & Beans, and dressing up and acting like complete idiots, have all the power."
Man.
I thought they were all in Idaho.
Live and learn.
what is 'ignornance'
it's what i do when i'm not busy ignoring phil simms. but it's spelled 'ignornantz'
"easily, actually. all i did was state that the best player is not always black"
Sir, again. That's a pretty racist thing to say.
"finally, just so you don't make the mistake somewhere meaningful, deflectory is not a word in the english language"
Sir, you looked it up? Really?!
You made our day.
"high praise indeed; to which i give thanks. i can only strive to be so to your '72 dolphins."
Sir, those '72 Dolphins couldn't even compete in this day. Today's athletes are bigger, faster, stronger.
Aren't they?
"Yes, and the KKK, all seven of them, jobless, living reclusively in the woods of South Carolina, eating Spam & Beans, and dressing up and acting like complete idiots, have all the power. "
yea, as if white power ISN'T institutionalized...please.
Take your racist noise somewhere else. This is a sports blog.
""high praise indeed; to which i give thanks. i can only strive to be so to your '72 dolphins.""
so, you are TRYING to be dumber than NOIS??
jesus, what did you do NOIS, put out an idiot magnet on this post?
"jesus, what did you do NOIS, put out an idiot magnet on this post?"
Seems to have worked on you, hasn't it?
"Sir, those '72 Dolphins couldn't even compete in this day. Today's athletes are bigger, faster, stronger.
Aren't they?"
too true. fortunately you seem to have the luxury of "putting out idiot magnet(s)" to level the playing field with an apparently extreme effect.
"The kid benches 400 plus pounds"
Sir, I bench 450.
Where's my Heisman?
It's in the mail along with your MENSA membership card...jackass.
Tebow has put up numbers that NOBODY has ever put up before. He is clearly the Heisman winner. And maybe you have hit on something with this notion of a system quarterback...like how every NFL team has a system that they need to qb to run. That is why pure athleticism has not lead to success at the QB position, you need brains too. Who are the best QBs in the NFL and where were they drafted..betcha they are white and were drafted alot lower than you would think (with the exception of peyton manning). Look no further than mike vick for a great example of a guy who had no clue how to run an NFL system.
"Take your racist noise somewhere else. This is a sports blog."
HAW! HAW! HAW! Isn't irony wonderful? Far and away the funniest thing said so far.
It's in the mail along with your MENSA membership card...jackass.
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beats your NAMBLA membership.
"Tebow has put up numbers that NOBODY has ever put up before."
Perhaps from the perspective of a running QB...or the combination of running and passing when numbers of touchdowns, again, primarily from running the football, are factored into the equation.
That statement is certainly not true when ranking a QB strictly as a passer.
"Perhaps from the perspective of a running QB...or the combination of running and passing when numbers of touchdowns, again, primarily from running the football, are factored into the equation.
That statement is certainly not true when ranking a QB strictly as a passer."
windrider, meet censored. censored, meet winrider.
oh dear.
Perhaps from the perspective of a running QB...or the combination of running and passing when numbers of touchdowns, again, primarily from running the football, are factored into the equation.
That statement is certainly not true when ranking a QB strictly as a passer.
absolutely nobody has ever matched the athleticism and skill of Tebow at this level. His pure athleticism plus his ability to run the passing offense makes him the hands down winner.
"Perhaps from the perspective of a running QB...or the combination of running and passing when numbers of touchdowns, again, primarily from running the football, are factored into the equation.
That statement is certainly not true when ranking a QB strictly as a passer."
windrider, meet censored. censored, meet winrider.
oh dear.
soundtech you pansy...what is wrong with either of those posts..damn look at the stats and the facts and stop drooling on NOIS' bowtie. Also why did you fail to respond to NOIS original post about dixon and Tebow..you know the one where he brought race into the equation for no reason...you self loathing honky.
It's in the mail along with your MENSA membership card...jackass.
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beats your NAMBLA membership.
hey stephen a. what is NAMBLA? and if it is some insult directed towards me the question should be why are you so up to date on that
Censored,
First, I think Tebow deserves the Heisman this year. He's flat out the best player. Period.
I made the distinction between running and passing QBs because there have been guys that have racked up far more impressive passing numbers than Tebow (here's one: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=145275)
As for 'system QBs,' every QB comes from one. You read the same complaints about 'system wideouts.' Ipso facto, Wes Welker went undrafted out of Texas Tech because he put up big numbers because of his 'system QB.'
Ask Tom Brady what he thinks of Wes Welker these days.
"Ipso facto"
take that Mexican talk shit somewhere else!
"Ipso facto"
"take that Mexican talk shit somewhere else!"
Actually, it's latin.
It means 'by the fact itself.'
"Actually, it's latin."
mexican, latino. you know what i meant!
"Actually, it's latin."
"mexican, latino. you know what i meant!"
How about this: Dat Welker dude be berry berry good!!!
"How about this: Dat Welker dude be berry berry good!!!"
now you sound like a jig.
how bout just sounding like an American for a damned minute!
"How about this: Dat Welker dude be berry berry good!!!"
that's messed up. we're used to Dave the Wave's racist rants on here....now you join in on his parade?
great.
"how bout just sounding like an American for a damned minute!"
I did initially, albeit an educated American. Hence your confusion.
"oh christ...another moron.
suh, the post isn't against tebow.
it's against discounting brennan or harrell (or anyone for being a system qb).
jesus. the point of the post is that there is no such thing as a system qb.
your density could protect you from radiation."
he clearly states that tebow is merely being pumped up by "the white media", that he is not the right choice for the heisman, that urban meyer's system is responsible for tebow's success as he is merely a "modestly talented qb" making "an admirable impression of a Negro QB." those are numerous comments AGAINST Tim Tebow. did you even read what he posted?
While I've found the comments on this thread to be a fascinating afternoon diversion, I think only one event can derail the Tebow Express during its journey to Heisman land. And that event would be if Chase Daniel were to surgically dissect OU to the tune of 400+ yards and 5 TDs while delivering the win. And even that might not be enough.
Suh: bruh. I suppose it's possible that the author of the post sincerely considers Tim Tebow to be 'modestly talented'.
You should consider the ramifications if he does not.
Maybe you should marinate on that for a few minutes before posting your next reply.
It is disappointing that racism is being perpetuated through outlets like yours on a subject that could be so unifying as American Football.
"It is disappointing that racism is being perpetuated through outlets like yours on a subject that could be so unifying as American Football."
Sir, you are highly confused.
How is pointing out that if Colt Brennan and Graham Harrell should lose votes for the Heisman, despite their amazing numbers, because they are considered 'system' QB's...then Tim Tebow should also?
How is that racist?
If you took something else away from the post....well then we'd suggest that it is YOU who is perpetuating a racist point of view.
"Sir, you are highly confused.
How is pointing out that if Colt Brennan and Graham Harrell should lose votes for the Heisman, despite their amazing numbers, because they are considered 'system' QB's...then Tim Tebow should also?
How is that racist?
If you took something else away from the post....well then we'd suggest that it is YOU who is perpetuating a racist point of view."
Sir, are you saying there are no racial tones in your post? The Brennan and Daniel (NOT DANIELS)argument was just a part of your piece. Is making a point to say that Urban Meyer has molded Tebow into a Negro QB impressionist not bringing race into it? Is talking about the media's need to "pump up the precious white QB" not bringing race into the discussion? If not, what is the purpose? I have taken away from the post exact what is it in it. You, sir, I feel are confused.
"Daniel (NOT DANIELS)"
ummm, you are the 85th person to point that out. are you always this late to the party?
when you insult someone about something that has already been beat to death...YOU end looking like the stupid one...
"I have taken away from the post exact what is it in it. "
Sir, no.
You have taken away from the post exactly what you WANTED to...cause you didn't even touch on the main point.
Still confused?
"I have taken away from the post exact what is it in it."
exactly NOT exact.
what a loser!!!! you made a typo...what loser!!!!
and you wanna correct other people's ???
what loser!!!
(isn't it juvenile?????)
OK I've taken the time to read through these moronic comments and thought up a few points to make, and I'm going to try to stay as nice as possible (though it may be difficult).
First of all, any quarterback worth his salt is a system quarterback. That's what coaches do, they recruit quarterbacks to fit their system and style of offense, or they tailor the offense to fit the quarterback they have (Chris Leak is a prime example). Florida did not win the title last year because of Chris Leak, although he certainly had a large hand in it. Florida won the MNC because of a stifling defense and an offense that produced when it needed to. That argument is over.
Second of all, I'm really sick of race being an issue with blacks. If anyone white is accomplishing anything extraordinary, then obviously it's a white conspiracy. Tim Tebow isn't being hyped for the Heisman because he's white. Tim Tebow is being hyped for the Heisman because he is undoubtedly one of the top college football players in the country. 3,000 yards passing with 29 TD's is a very good year for a college quarterback. Almost 900 yards rushing with 22 TD's is a very very good year for a running back. He's done both. In arguably the best conference in the country. He's also had a bum shoulder half the season and had a broken hand the entire 2nd half of the FSU game, and still produced record numbers. They are 9-3 because of a young, inexperienced defense. Tebow has shown up and played his top game week in and week out. That's something neither McFadden nor Daniel can say. White or black, he has had the best season in my opinion, but take nothing way from McFadden, Daniel, White, Dixon, Brennan, or anyone else in the Heisman debate. That argument is over.
Third of all, don't bring Barry Bonds and Michael Vick into this argument. Please don't. There is a mountain of evidence against both athletes, and they are being charged (and convicted) of crimes they obviously committed. Whether they are white or black, they would have been put in prison for lying to Congress or running a dog fighting business (seriously, how could you defend someone for killing dogs????). And if you want to bring in race to famous athletes being charged of crimes, remember the O.J. case from 13 years ago? Kobe Bryant from a few years ago? Black athletes are let go for crimes, as well.
I honestly don't know why you had to bring in the whole black/white thing into the Heisman argument. Whites and blacks have won it fairly equally over the last 15 years or so. Why don't you just keep the argument football related, it makes for a lot less tension in the discussion.
Sorry this is long, I had a lot to say. Take care.
"Sorry this is long, I had a lot to say."
Sir, actually, not really.
You just used a lot of words.
That's different.
Sir, what I made was a fact-based argument, which is something you seem completely incapable of doing yourself. Or maybe I used too many "words" and your limited brain capacity couldn't read them that well?
"Sir, what I made was a fact-based argument, which is something you seem completely incapable of doing yourself. "
Sir, if fact based is giving your opinion, and then saying 'end of argument'....then, indeed, a factual representation it was!
ie, 'Florida did not win the title last year because of Chris Leak'
That is your opinion. Others would say that last year, no other QB on UF's roster could have led them to the title. Tebow wasn't ready. Therefore, they DID win because of Leak.
Now, THAT is a factual argument.
End of argument.
"what I made was a fact-based argument"
Really?
"Tim Tebow isn't being hyped for the Heisman because he's white."
Sounds like purely your point of view to me.
Reality check, just because YOU believe something, doesn't make it fact.
You spouted off stats and then interpreted them using your slanted, Pro-Tebow Pro-white point of view.
That isn't a fact based argument. That is actually the opposite.
"That isn't a fact based argument. That is actually the opposite."
this ncwbishop is an ass clow. 'argument over'.
and that's a fact!
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