A while back, we informed you of Gary Sheffield's belief that Joe Torre treated certain players differently than others.
Sheffield believed that race entered into the equation as to how Torre showed respect for, and treated players.
Well, it seems that the Yankees brass listened hard to what Sheffield had to say.
Yesterday, it was reported that Joe Torre was done as the Yankees manager.
Torre had led the Yankees to the post season every year he managed. And 6 World Series appearances. Clearly, a record like that would warrant unparalleled job security.
But, the Yankees obviously had had enough of the type of behavior and disrespect in the clubhouse that Sheffield brought to light.
And, in a show of deference to Torre's tenure and record, the Yankees allowed Torre the face saving move of rejecting an 'offer'.
We applaud the Yankees on their stand and their show of support for Sheffield's accusations.
It's rare that we see a corporate sports conglomerate like the New York Yankees put justice and righteousness ahead of winning.
Maybe it is time to bring Willie Randolph back into the Yankee fold?
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vindication for the Sheff!
Everyone knows that Gary Sheffield is the voice of reason when it comes to baseball. If the Yankees don't immediately make him the head of the search for a new manager, then they should disband the Yankees immediately. Short of that, they need to hire a black GM, black head coach and make sure the lineup is 100% black players. All the employees at Yankee Stadium need to be black also. If none of this happens, then it proves Sheffield is right! And righteous.
"Short of that, they need to hire a black GM, black head coach and make sure the lineup is 100% black players. "
and then burn the stadium down!
Dave, they are already going to burn the stadium down, or blow it up. Probably because Sheff told them to. Then the brothers are going to burn down their own neighborhoods (again), while everyone else sits around and laughs. And nothing changes....
"and then burn the stadium down!"
since when is burning down Yankee Stadium a bad thing? can someone give the brothers directions to Foxboro, MA too ?! and Irvine, TX ?! burn baby burn.
excellent post...and you are correct if winning is no longer the most important thing for the yankees then they should bring back willie randolph...willie was responsible for the biggest choke job in sports since lattrell sprewell got hold of pj carlesimo. But that is the culture today...a white man like torre can win for 12 years and get let go whereas a black man like randolph (working under lesser expectations) can be given a pass for one of the worst managerial jobs in baseball history. Willie Randolph, living proof of how affirmative action cripples organizations.
"a white man like torre can win for 12 years using minority talent"
fixed!
and again you pull out these jackass thesis'...you are racist scum. If Sheffields comments had anything to do with Torre being let go, then why isnt Sheffield still a yankee? why wasnt torre fired last year? you make up alot of crap and it just shows how stupid you are. You know nothing about baseball..you prove that time and time again. But I eagerly await your posting about how it was the white mans fault that CC Sabathia choked in the biggest games of his life. Just funny though how that fat bastard never choked on all those extra meals he eats.
"a white man like torre can win for 12 years using minority talent"
fixed!
andy pettitte, david cone, roger clemens, scott brosius and paul o neill agree.
"If Sheffields comments had anything to do with Torre being let go, then why isnt Sheffield still a yankee? "
Sir, maybe you didn't get the memo...Sheff was unhappy with the team and wanted out.
That's why.
And, as for why Torre wasn't let go last year....um....when did Shef bring the facts to light? Yea.....ok.
And you call us stupid....
He was uncomfortable in the clubhouse and with the treatment he witnessed. Hence, he wanted gone. And he is gone.
"But I eagerly await your posting about how it was the white mans fault that CC Sabathia choked in the biggest games of his life."
Ummm...sir, we fail to see what CC has to do with Shef and Torre.
But, well...we guess coming from you, the fact that you were able to mention another baseball player kind of relates to the topic....so, well done.
"andy pettitte, david cone, roger clemens, scott brosius and paul o neill agree."
LOL...you always 'bout the tit for tat....i ain't gonna bother listing all the minorities that made it possible...but, if it make you feel better to list a handful of white boys...rock on homey, rock on...LOL.
"You know nothing about baseball..you prove that time and time again."
and you think this thread was about baseball????
who's the real dummy?
Sir, maybe you didn't get the memo...Sheff was unhappy with the team and wanted out.
Obviously your racism blinds you to the facts of the case...Sheffield was openly petitioning the yankees for a contract extension...even going so far as to have a private meeting with Steinbrenner to try to convince him to extend the contract. When the yankees refused to extend Sheff beyond the year remaining on his deal, he began to whine and cause trouble just like he has done his entire career. So the facts are this...the yankees refused to offer a contract extension to Sheff and traded him.
An extremely smart move as the steroid use seems to have caught up with the physically frail Sheffield. On the flip side, the yanks DID offer Torre a contract with guaranteed money that would have kept him the highest paid manager in baseball..HE is the one who chose to walk away...Again fact doesnt much matter to you, only racist agendas...which is why you quickly shut up with all your willie randolph talk. Sheff lead the tigers from an american league championship one year to missing the playoffs the next..and willie's team couldnt even beat the overrated dontrelle willis in the last week of the season to make the playoffs.
"andy pettitte, david cone, roger clemens, scott brosius and paul o neill agree."
LOL...you always 'bout the tit for tat....i ain't gonna bother listing all the minorities that made it possible...but, if it make you feel better to list a handful of white boys...rock on homey, rock on...LOL.
I was going to mention Dwight Gooden but as we have all learned from the brilliant sheffield, joe torre makes black players feel uncomfortable and treats them wrongly. I guess he does that even when he is saving their careers as well.
"Sheffield was openly petitioning the yankees for a contract extension"
Sir, you mean that your hatred of Negroes and hatred of The Truth blinds you from reality...he wanted more money as compensation for the uncomfortable clubhouse environment created by Torre...the Boss refused...Shef moved on...
And?
" I guess he does that even when he is saving their careers as well."
yes, censored...all those minority players on the yankees roster over the Torre years had their careers saved...jeter, posada, rivera, bernie, etc etc...all had their careers saved...LOL...you are a lost soul, man...you hate anything that ain't white...you are in for a miserable future...cause this country is well on the way to no longer being white..
"I was going to mention Dwight Gooden"
steve howe agrees...dr k was a disgrace tp the pin stripes.
while I really don't see where censored sees any racism in the post, I do have to ask the following question: is there any evidence that the dismissal of Torre was linked to his shoddy treatment of Sheffield or is this just typical George steinbrenner in action?
my personal take is that
he wanted more money as compensation for the uncomfortable clubhouse environment created by Torre...the Boss refused...Shef moved on...
you are just flat out stupid. If he hated the environment in NY he clearly knew that he could get the same money in other places (which he did) The fact is that Sheff the whiny bitch didnt get the extension he wanted from the yankees and then requested a trade...it had nothing to do with torre..as much as you would like to make the issue race. Sheff had his feelings hurt that he yankees didnt want him long term so he started making accusations after he left...kinda like a woman who gets dumped and then says she never loved the guy anyway...Sheffield is clearly the woman.
while I really don't see where censored sees any racism in the post, I do have to ask the following question: is there any evidence that the dismissal of Torre was linked to his shoddy treatment of Sheffield or is this just typical George steinbrenner in action?
you are new to this post...how it works here is that NOIS doesnt need proof...all he has to do is assert that whitey mistreats blacks and that is the reason blacks cant take responsibility for their actions. Sheffield is long forgotten by the yankees and is not an issue in the current Torre situation. Sheffield actually went to the tigers and made them worse than last year.
yes, censored...all those minority players on the yankees roster over the Torre years had their careers saved...jeter, posada, rivera, bernie, etc etc...all had their careers saved...LOL...you are a lost soul, man...you hate anything that ain't white...you are in for a miserable future...cause this country is well on the way to no longer being white..
tripod..obviously your parent didnt teach you any reading comprehension. It is Sheffields assertion that Torre treated black players differently....your post proves the point that in fact minorities have thrived under torre...so thank you for making NOIS look foolish for supporting the idiotic rants of gary sheffield.
Why do you completely ignore the willie randolph comments?? A black manager can fail miserably and keep his job because he is black...affirmitive action is mediocrity in action.
"Sheff had his feelings hurt that he yankees didnt want him long term so he started making accusations after he left."
no.
he held his tongue as long as he could. he talked with other players who felt the same way. and he was compelled to speak up.
it's called courage.
"your post proves the point that in fact minorities have thrived under torre"
no, my post proves that minorities gave Torre 12 staight playoff appearances.
man, u are just dense!
you hate anyone that ain't white, don't you? unbelieveable...it's 2007 man! racism ain't cool these days.
cracker.
"A black manager can fail miserably and keep his job because he is black"
lou pinella and bruce boche say right on.
"while I really don't see where censored sees any racism in the post,"
censored is the resident 'white power' guy...he can't stand the fact that there is an internet where opinions and truths that aren't dictated by the white media exists. so, he comes to this blog daily and makes racist comments and tries to ignore the realities of America.
look at some of his old comments. he has had the ignorance to actually say that 250 years of slavery has had NO impact on the black community today.
you can pretty much discount everything he says as uniformed and simply a racist attack on real Americans.
you can pretty much discount everything he says as uniformed and simply a racist attack on real Americans.
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agreed.
he doesn't add anything to most conversations. doesn't illicit real thought. just a rabble rouser who is mad that black america is slowly gaining on him and, in the next 30 years statistically will no longer be a minority to whites.
he's an angry white man with a low paying job who can't stand seeing black america rising up.
sad.
"sad."
very sad.
but, real Americans like us can still have sympathy for him and won't call him racist names or belittle his culture at every chance we get.
even tho that is what he does.
let's pity him.
not hate him.
"let's pity him.
not hate him."
that's something we can all agree on.
God Bless America.
"God Bless America."
lol...ya'll gonna make that poor crackers head explode!
"A black manager can fail miserably and keep his job because he is black"
lou pinella and bruce boche say right on.
tripod, it is clear from your lack of command of the english language that you are not very bright...but please enlighten us on how Lou Piniella who
A. managed a team that won its division this season and
B. Is a minority....adds to anything you are trying to say...My point was that Willie Randolph was in charge of the BIGGEST collapse in baseball history and his job security has not been brought up at all. Those are facts so take your ignorant butt outta here and learn how to read...I am thinking that tripod is actually Dexter Manley.
he doesn't add anything to most conversations. doesn't illicit real thought. just a rabble rouser who is mad that black america is slowly gaining on him and, in the next 30 years statistically will no longer be a minority to whites.
If sheer numbers of people dictated anything then muslims would actually be contributing something to society today. All a population explosion ensures is more bottom feeders because the community refuses to right its ship.
no, my post proves that minorities gave Torre 12 staight playoff appearances.
man, u are just dense!
those minorities you refer to are hard working latinos...they helped torre win because they care more about winning then their own egos. Sheffield is a selfish player and that is why he cant stay on a team more than a few seasons.
he held his tongue as long as he could. he talked with other players who felt the same way. and he was compelled to speak up.
If things were so bad with the yankees under torre then Sheff would not have pushed so hard for an extension...his past history proves that there will always be a team willing to overlook his bad attitude and pay him his market value. Those are the facts but the facts dont play into your racist agenda and take away your trump card...the blame whitey game.
As for you all calling me racist...excuse the phrase but aint that the pot calling the kettle black...use of the word cracker is used more times in these posts than anything else. Every black failure is not due to racism..although that offers the easiest excuse. I never said slavery plays no role but what i have said is your community is in a shambles and as long as the excuse culture exists so will failure.
"I never said slavery plays no role "
Sir, that is an out right lie.
You, on more than one occassion have flat out said that there is no existing relationship between problems in the Negro community today and the 250 year enslavement and ensuing institutionalized racism of the Negro.
You have said it on more than one occassion.
Now, you try to back away.
You are a liar. Plain and simple.
You are a liar who hates Negroes and takes every opportunity to come on here multiple times throughout the day to spew your venomous hatred and ill feelings.
We see you for what you are.
The readers and operators of this blog have had enough of your lies, false accusations...and bigotry fueled hatred of Negroes.
You have added nothing to the discussion on any thread. The redundant theme of Anti-Negro speech in each and every one of your posts has reached a peak.
Frankly, we feel that your presence here produces a positive effect.
People of all colors, race and religion can read your bile filled statements and understand what ignorant hatred is. You provide an example of what a closed mind can provide the individual. You provide an example of how an individual can lose sight of what this country stands for, and only focus on holding others down.
Unfortunately, our readers have spoken.
Your presence is no longer required here.
We won't ban you or delete your droppings, however.
We are simply serving notice that the readers and writers here will no longer respond to your hate fueled ignorance.
Should you feel repentant, and choose to issue a retraction of your lies. Or admit that you are a liar and ask for help in combatting your racist feelings.
We will listen.
Until then, best of luck as you drown in a world that will soon no longer be white.
You, on more than one occassion have flat out said that there is no existing relationship between problems in the Negro community today and the 250 year enslavement and ensuing institutionalized racism of the Negro.
You have said it on more than one occassion.
Like you do with everything, you interject your own racist slants. You choose only to see things that advance your racist agenda. Show me where i wrote those things..those words are yours, not mine...you are the liar and the racist.
Until then, best of luck as you drown in a world that will soon no longer be white.
Whenever your postings are proven wrong by fact you cry like a girl. It is easy to prove you wrong because everything you write is swayed solely by race. Every wrong is the fault of a white person somehow. I get that this is your schtick but you do nothing to truly advance your people. I expose you for the racist you are...you hate white people, that is obvious but you dont have the guts to say it so you veil it in these racially charged posts. You sir are exactly the thing you say you despise...that makes you a hypocrite. You are willing to take people at their word as long as that word is anti-white or blames white people for the ills of your people. I have no hate for you...just pity...as your house crumbles around you...you worry about what curtains to hang...you are misguided.
I questioned your inclusion of Willie Randolph in your post but yet you make no mention of it again...because again that is what you do..when you are exposed you immediately start yelling racist..I dont blame you because that is your easiest excuse.
"You have added nothing to the discussion on any thread."
good point. and so true.
don't bother going thru the archives to site the instances he has sad that slavery has had no ill effects on today. those of us who read here regularly have already seen them all.
"You are a liar. Plain and simple."
it's sad to watch this guy lie constantly. it's obvious he hates black people. and he hates the fact that your blog gives a point of view different from the white media.
hopefully, he will just dry up and blow away in the wind.
the unintelligent comments that he keeps leaving are just a disgrace.
it's frustrating to watch him turn everything into a racial issue. he needs to open his mind.
"he needs to open his mind."
ya cant open what you don't have..
"the unintelligent comments that he keeps leaving are just a disgrace. "
it's typical, tho. he has to justify his hatred of blacks to himself somehow.
you gotta laugh at the things he points out as 'facts'. they are his own opinions, but since he is white, he considers them 'facts'. and nois comes out with actual quotes and articles in his posts, but this guy disputes them as not being facts.
must be nice to live in your own little world like this guy does.
i still can't figure out why he turns everything into a racial thing tho. or why he constantly demands that his silly, off topic questions be answered and become the focus of the thread.
it must be joke. no one could be this stupid on purpose.
But, the Yankees obviously had had enough of the type of behavior and disrespect in the clubhouse that Sheffield brought to light.
Honestly can anyone truthfully say that this douche doesnt race bait? The FACTS are Torre was given an ultimatum..win the ALDS or get fired...after thinking it over after they lost the yankees mgt. still decided to offer him a 5 MILLION DOLLAR one year contract, which torre rejected because he knew if the team got off to a slow start next year he would hear rumblings about being fired (the yanks would have little to lose because they only committed for the one year). NOIS presents as fact that the words of Gary Sheffield had something to do with this..again with no source...just to race bait. He ignores how minorities have thrived under Torre's leadership and ignores that Willie Randolph credits him as his mentor...why? because the sheffield thing allows him to race bait. The Sheffield comments allow him to forge ahead with his racist agenda. He just doesnt have the guts to acknowledge it.
hopefully, he will just dry up and blow away in the wind.
the unintelligent comments that he keeps leaving are just a disgrace.
ultrasoundtech you are a puppet...why are you afraid of being critical? NOIS posts things as fact with no basis. He can say what he says about Torre and you applaud him but yet i cannot do the same thing by saying the only reason willie randolph got to keep his job, after the biggest collapse in baseball history, is because he is black? how are the two different?
you gotta laugh at the things he points out as 'facts'. they are his own opinions, but since he is white, he considers them 'facts'. and nois comes out with actual quotes and articles in his posts, but this guy disputes them as not being facts.
You mean like the actual quotes and articles about how Sheffields comments played a role in Torre not coming back? Nice try fool.
"You mean like the actual quotes and articles about how Sheffields comments played a role in Torre not coming back? Nice try fool."
you didn't provide any, you racist asshole!
NOIS has stomped a mudhole in your racist ass since you first appeared here. He intelligently makes you look like a fool at every turn. Yet you don't even realise it!!!
"why are you afraid of being critical?"
ohhh...ok.
Didn't realize I was supposed to disagree with things that make sense just so I can be on your side of the argument.
Ok, let me try again:
ahem....LISTEN....racism doesn't exist in america and anyone that thinks it does is the racist! you hear me NOIS! you hear me!
better? bitingly and intellectually critical enough for you, censored?
"it must be joke. no one could be this stupid on purpose."
it's no joke, he really is this dumb.
and racist.
"how are the two different?'
because they aren't the same, shithead!!!!
OMG, the man has to be kidding, right???
Didn't realize I was supposed to disagree with things that make sense just so I can be on your side of the argument.
So after reading everything about the torre situation it makes sense to you that the reason he is not coming back to the yankees is because of Sheffields comments? Really?
the yankees didn't win. and sheffield brought to light the clubhouse issues. makes perfect sense that a team can't win when there are clubhouse problems. no?
"You mean like the actual quotes and articles about how Sheffields comments played a role in Torre not coming back? Nice try fool."
you didn't provide any, you racist asshole!
NOIS has stomped a mudhole in your racist ass since you first appeared here. He intelligently makes you look like a fool at every turn. Yet you don't even realise it!!!
i honestly am amazed how dumb you are..it is comical...you are right I may not "realise" it, but i do "realize" that your post makes no sense. You cant even get the sarcasm....NOIS these are the people you lead...hah haaa
"how are the two different?'
because they aren't the same, shithead!!!!
OMG, the man has to be kidding, right???
Shithead...let me explain...they both have no basis in fact but are yet presented that way...that is why they are the same...i cant believe reading comprehension is this low....YOU agree with the NOIS post because it is anti-white
"i honestly am amazed how dumb you are..it is comical...you are right I may not "realise" it, but i do "realize" that your post makes no sense. You cant even get the sarcasm....NOIS these are the people you lead...hah haaa"
oh, so you are being sarcastic?
who knew??!!
you are such and amazing writer that you make it impossible to tell...well done.
"YOU agree with the NOIS post because it is anti-white"
actually, no.
i disagree with YOUR post because it is anti-black.
see the difference?
the yankees didn't win. and sheffield brought to light the clubhouse issues. makes perfect sense that a team can't win when there are clubhouse problems. no?
that may be your opinion...it is not fact...the issues were Sheffields perception of things...based on the support Torre received from his players i find it hard to believe that clubhouse issues had anything to do with his not coming back....especially since he was offered a contract and turned it down....essentially quitting and not being fired.
"they both have no basis in fact but are yet presented that way"
actually, nois' is presented intelligently and originally...yours is barely literate tripe spewed by a guy that has had nothing but racist comments on here for months.
so, that is not similar.
"especially since he was offered a contract and turned it down"
he was offered a PAY CUT!! dumbass.
if they wanted him back would they have cut his pay????
HAHAHAH...i love how you disregard anyone else's comments as 'opinion'...then give us YOUR opinion as if it is fact...LOL
This is too funny.
You may be the dumbest SOB on the interwebs.
"i honestly am amazed how dumb you are..it is comical...you are right I may not "realise" it, but i do "realize" that your post makes no sense. You cant even get the sarcasm....NOIS these are the people you lead...hah haaa"
oh, so you are being sarcastic?
who knew??!!
you are such and amazing writer that you make it impossible to tell...well done.
Wow...the bar keeps going lower...show me where in the posting NOIS uses any FACTS to support the argument that Torre is not coming back next year because of Sheffields comments? it is unreal...you really should have finished high school.
"HAHAHAH...i love how you disregard anyone else's comments as 'opinion'...then give us YOUR opinion as if it is fact...LOL"
the man has already lied 4 times on this thread and, like you said. everything he believes is a 'fact', yet even when others bring references to the table, which he has NEVER done, it's 'opinion'.
he's the typical know it all white guy. can't stand admitting that black men are correct.
"the bar keeps going lower"
it gets lower with every post you make...
"you really should have finished high school."
hahahah that is the 50th time he has said something like that...and it gets funnier every time...woooo censored is really smart AND really funny...this is great.
The man has made himself into a total ass. NOIS, nicely done. You have not only exposed him as a racist prick, but as a dumb one at that
"especially since he was offered a contract and turned it down"
he was offered a PAY CUT!! dumbass.
if they wanted him back would they have cut his pay????
HAHAHAH...i love how you disregard anyone else's comments as 'opinion'...then give us YOUR opinion as if it is fact...LOL
This is too funny.
actually if he reached the incentives in the contract it would have been for 500 grand more than last year..so read up dopey. Even without incentives the contract was worth significantly more than any other managers deal...so yes the yankees were dealing with a financial edge knowing that no other team could even match their pre-incentive offer. The fact that the yankees put those incentive clauses in shows what is most important to them...WINNING. Sheffields words played no role whatsoever...we all truly know that but it isnt any fun without your race baiting. The yankees didnt want to guarantee 8 mil for next year unless they got to the world series...again these are things called FACTS which you choose to ignore..and it is why you are ignorant.
the man has already lied 4 times on this thread and, like you said. everything he believes is a 'fact', yet even when others bring references to the table, which he has NEVER done, it's 'opinion'.
Show me one fact in NOIS post. He wrote it as fact but provides none...anytime you know you are wrong you just yell racist...small minded fool.
"he's the typical know it all white guy. can't stand admitting that black men are correct."
his insecurities are completely exposed here.
anyone with any sense will occassionally admit that they aren't always right.
he can't do that. he is so insecure in himself that he resorts to lies, hypocrisy and half-truths as protection against the clear fact that he has been proven wrong by virtually every commentor on here.
To admit that a black man is correct would be a verification of his insecurities.
censored is lost in himself. the reality is that he doesn't hate blacks.
he hates himself.
and the way he manifests it is by continually accepting intellectual beatdowns on the internet. over and over. looking more the ass with every post.
but, whatever floats your boat.
"actually if he reached the incentives in the contract it would have been for 500 grand more than last year..so read up dopey."
it was the base pay the cut....show me any other contract of a manager where they cut his pay and wanted him to come back and offered incentives instead..>LOL.
if torre felt like they wanted him back, he'd be back!
that is all the proof you need.
and more than you've provided.
"
if torre felt like they wanted him back, he'd be back!"
EXACTLY.
Thank you!
another one on the chin for ol' censored.
It's rare that we see a corporate sports conglomerate like the New York Yankees put justice and righteousness ahead of winning.
Maybe it is time to bring Willie Randolph back into the Yankee fold?
Can you clarify? are you saying because winning is not the most important thing to the yankees anymore they should bring in the managerial failure willie randolph to run the team? I honestly dont understand why you are disrespecting willie.
"anytime you know you are wrong you just yell racist"
let's apply that logic to your posts, too.
you've called nois racist every chance you have.
we'll apply your logic then, and take it as an admission that nois is correct.
"we'll apply your logic then, and take it as an admission that nois is correct."
oh no, can't do that...if censored calls you a racist...you really are.
it's just a defense mechanism when used ,against him.
read up on the rules of hypocritical argument.
" I honestly dont understand why you are disrespecting willie.
"
wait...is that more of your ingenius sarcasm???
well done, honky, well done!
it was the base pay the cut....show me any other contract of a manager where they cut his pay and wanted him to come back and offered incentives instead..>LOL.
if torre felt like they wanted him back, he'd be back!
that is all the proof you need.
no other team puts such a premium on winning like the yankees. Show me another team that would pay a manager 7.5 mil in the first place. There is no doubt that several in the front office didnt want Torre back..but it was because they havent won a championship in 7 years, not because of sheffield. They still offered him 5 mil with the chance to make 8 mil...if the clubhouse was in chaos there would have been no offer....again facts mean nothing to you.
" I honestly dont understand why you are disrespecting willie.
"
wait...is that more of your ingenius sarcasm???
well done, honky, well done!
no, i am seriously asking the question darky.
if torre felt like they wanted him back, he'd be back!"
ultrasoundtech..again...there is no question there is a debate as to whether everyone in the front office wanted torre back...the issue with the post is in the writing as fact that torre is not coming back because of Sheffields remarks....honestly can you point me to anywhere that brings that up as a reason torre wasnt offered a longer contract? anywhere other than this garbage factory.
"again facts mean nothing to you."
and facts mean less to you.
for 12 years, the yankees required NO incentives of Torre.
Now, after the clubhouse is in shambles, as sheffield pointed out, the yankees resort to incentives to try to force Torre to clean up the mess he made.
"no, i am seriously asking the question darky."
oh, that just seemed like such a dumb question that it had to be sarcastic.
you are so good at sarcasm that it's hard to tell.
cracker.
Now, after the clubhouse is in shambles, as sheffield pointed out, the yankees resort to incentives to try to force Torre to clean up the mess he made.
If the clubhouse is in shambles then why did every big name player on the team go on record as wanting Torre to come back...including minority free agents to be who said if torre didnt come back they may not either...surely if he made players feel uncomfortable they would welcome a change and not actively petition for his return. Oh wait, one of those players who wanted him back is Jeter..but he doesnt count because as sheffield says "he is not all-the-way black".
Again i know facts dont matter to you...just race baiting but i will put them out there anyway.
you are so good at sarcasm that it's hard to tell.
cracker.
you can call me honky and cracker and then call me the racist....you are probably too poor to afford a mirror so i understand you cant see yourself for the racist scum you are.
"you are probably too poor to afford a mirror "
i stack my chips next to yours anyday, peckerwood.
nice job censored. you took what was an insightful and unbiased look at the demise of Joe Torre, and turned it into a racial name calling match and people trying to prove who has more money on the internet.
You truly are ignorance personified.
nice job censored. you took what was an insightful and unbiased look at the demise of Joe Torre, and turned it into a racial name calling match and people trying to prove who has more money on the internet.
As for your assertion that the post was unbiased, well, that just proves that you can read words but not really understand what they mean. The post stated as fact that Sheffields comments played a role in Torre not coming back (clubhouse issues, etc.) Unbiased would mean he would point out all the facts of the situation. I question this by pointing to quotes by current players stating their desire for him to return (several minority players by the way). Surely if Torre managed over a fractured clubhouse players would not defend him. But NOIS neglects any facts and decides that race had to be the issue. When you bring up Jeters support of Torre that doesnt count. I can guarantee that NOIS would label jeter "all the way black" if he ripped Torre. I understand this is what NOIS does, his perception is that the white media only presents the white side of things and thus discriminates against blacks...his answer is to do the same thing, only to whites. That doesnt make him innovative, it just makes him a hypocite.
But again can anyone clear up the point about willie randolph...Nois states that winning isnt the most important thing to the yankees anymore so they should bring willie back into the fold...why the disrespect of a black manager...is NOIS just really a self loathing negro?
"As for your assertion that the post was unbiased, well, that just proves that you can read words but not really understand what they mean."
that's rich. coming from YOU.
look, we all know that you live in a world divided into black and white. you've made your racist outlook clear. you may disagree with NOIS and the commentors here. but that doesn't make THEM racist.
YOU are the racist. you have never even denied it. in fact, you revel in it.
You are the one that gets caught up in every post NOIS makes, and can't see the meaning behind it. You see Negro and lose your mind.
The reality is, this post has NOTHING to do with black/white or sheffields comments.
Read it again.
"But NOIS neglects any facts and decides that race had to be the issue. "
No, YOU decided that it was the issue.
Read the post and figure out what the issue REALLY is.
"But again can anyone clear up the point about willie randolph..."
what point about willie randolph?
you didn't make any.
The reality is, this post has NOTHING to do with black/white or sheffields comments.
Really, man are you dumb, the whole thesis of the post is that Sheffields comments about torre treating minority players differently was the reason the yankees made him a less than stellar contract offer. So genius, dont be so vague, if i need to be enlightened tell me how this post doesnt play the race card by ignoring all the FACTS surrounding the Torre situation?
"But again can anyone clear up the point about willie randolph..."
what point about willie randolph?
you didn't make any.
Moron...read the question again...this time slowly so you get it...the point i was questioning was the point being made by NOIS....READ the post...i was asking for clarity about the idea that because the yankees dont value winning above all else they should bring back willie randolph...Based on willies terrible job managing the mets one could gather that the only reason NOIS says the yankees should bring willie back is because he is black.
"As for your assertion that the post was unbiased, well, that just proves that you can read words but not really understand what they mean."
that's rich. coming from YOU.
look, we all know that you live in a world divided into black and white. you've made your racist outlook clear. you may disagree with NOIS and the commentors here. but that doesn't make THEM racist.
soundtech, you truly are not that bright, show me where anything pointed to sheffields words having an effect on the yankees decision...why do you ignore all the facts i brought up and the support the players have made public? Now throw back some comments at me about how i am racist so you can dodge the question you ignorant fool.
"READ the post"
i read the post.
nois seemed to be questioning how the yankees could let a guy with his record go....that seemed to be the point. the other stuff is just used to rile up morons like YOU.
Am I right here, NOIS?
"why do you ignore all the facts i brought up and the support the players have made public?"
WHAT FACTS???
because a couple of old vets who are used to Torre's ways don't want to be bothered with moving and going to new teams in the twilight of their careers???
wow, that is just hard as rock evidence, isn't it?
i don't have to call you a racist. every comment you make proves you are one.
"ignorant fool."
LOL. the man that claims that institutional racism and slavery have played ZERO role on the state of black america today is calling someone ignorant???
HAHAHAHAHA.
Talk about a complete lack of currency.
LOL. the man that claims that institutional racism and slavery have played ZERO role on the state of black america today is calling someone ignorant???
here we go again...slavery...has alot to do with this posting...you are such a fool...you cant stick to topic because you cant defend the racist logic of NOIS.
because a couple of old vets who are used to Torre's ways don't want to be bothered with moving and going to new teams in the twilight of their careers???
wow, that is just hard as rock evidence, isn't it?
But the words of Gary Sheffield instead...that is evidence? I dont even understand how you could be so dumb. Derek Jeter is the captain of the team...an african american...and he said he wanted torre back. NOIS said that torres ways divided the clubhouse...then why would any minorities come out defending him so hard. Those veterans you talk about are some of the best players in baseball...who happen to be free agents and could choose to go to any team....yet they specifically said that KEEPING torre would sway them to stay. You have no clue at all...maybe instead of taking NOIS' word for everything you should find some facts first. Nowhere is it documented that Torre's treatment of players factored into the contract he was offered....this is just race baiting by NOIS...his specialty
now come back with your best defense....call me a racist..anyone who doesnt buy into the "whoa is me, i cant do anything myself attitude" is racist.
"here we go again...slavery"
why do you keep trying to ignore this?
people are simply bringing back your own words to you.
YOU are the one that awhile back said these things. It is only reasonable that they be brought up to completely discredit you.
And it works.
You have ZERO credibility in any discussion of race.
You have no one to blame but your racist self.
Why should anyone take you seriously or give your opinion on race any value when you have gone out of your way to say ridiculous things that easily destroy your credibility?
You made your bed. Lie in it.
"Why should anyone take you seriously or give your opinion on race any value when you have gone out of your way to say ridiculous things that easily destroy your credibility?"
EXACTLY!
this guy, in the past has said the black community is completely responsible for each and every issue they face and that there is NO connection between 250 years of slavery and institutionalized racism and oppression and ANY problems that face blacks today.
And then, he expect to engage in racial discussion and have his opinion taken seriously? Particularly when, in each and every discussion he tries to half-ass slant everything that NOIS says? Please...why would anyone care that censored thinks that there was no race problem in the yankees clubhouse...censored has already made it clear that he thinks there has NEVER been a race problem in AMERICA...lol....but, he is quick to dismiss the statements of a reasonable black man who WAS in the clubhouse...whatever. Let him ramble on with his fringe opinions...the mainstream media is behind NOIS on this one.
but, he is quick to dismiss the statements of a reasonable black man who WAS in the clubhouse...whatever. Let him ramble on with his fringe opinions...the mainstream media is behind NOIS on this one
HAAHAAA...moronic new lows..shine my shoes while you down there. So you are saying that sheff is a reasonable black man and jeter is not...why because that way you can use the race card...keep talking your trash but that is all it is...lean on your crutch...your failure is in no way your own...couldnt be cause we had slavery 250 years ago...ignore facts in place of slanted opinion...it has gotten your people far since the 60's....running in quicksand.
"your failure is in no way your own"
what failures? i'm a success.
If I spent my work day being race baited on some obscure blog, then maybe I'd be a failure. DOH!
"couldnt be cause we had slavery 250 years ago"
actually, we had slavery 150 years ago...dipshit. But, of course, the facts are NEVER your strong point.
we had 250 years OF slavery.
and, according to you...that has had no negative effect on this country. none. zero zip. 250 years of it, and the day the emancipation proclamation was signed, everything was peachy and great.
you are a mess, man.
"ignore facts in place of slanted opinion"
you talking to yourself again?
i got nothing to add...censored's comments have filled the dumb quota for this thread...i just wanted to be post 100 on it...
Why do you guys keep engaging censored? Don't you know that's what he wants? You're rewarding him. You guys just keep repeating each others' words over and over again. How about you agree to disagree and move on. Or not.
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