Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, Rev Jesse Jackson's organization, has not been satisfied with the amount of Negro players in Major League Baseball. Particularly the lack of such players on the roster of the Atlanta Braves.
The director of sports operations for Rainbow/PUSH, Dexter Clinkscale, along with Southeast Regional Director Joe Beasley, was able to help convince the Braves to meet with reps of the organization to discuss this troubling situation.
Beasley said Monday afternoon, "I think it was a lack of diligence on the part of the Braves to recruit African-American players. There's not diminished enthusiasm for African-Americans playing baseball. It's simply the opportunity hasn't presented itself."
And we couldn't agree more. Rather than focusing their efforts on simply fielding the best team they can, the Braves should be focusing their efforts on tapping into that undiminished enthusiasm for baseball within the Negro community.
There was a time, not long ago, when the Braves roster boasted several Negro players. One wonders what might have happened. Rainbow/PUSH academically points out that their is no diminished interest in baseball within the Negro community. Clearly, this would indicate that the pool of young Negro players to draw from is as large as ever. And, if the pool of Negro players is as strong as ever; well, that would leave only one explanation as to why the Braves don't have more Negroes on the roster: racism.
In response to some of the criticism levied by Rainbow/PUSH, Braves general manager John Schuerholz said: "You go to where the talent leads you. Finding major league-caliber baseball players is far too difficult if you try to narrow your criteria down to demographics."
The implication being that the Braves would prefer to narrow the criteria down to talent. This is an all too typical sentiment when dealing with the plantation mentality of the team owners and their slave bosses. Forget about the fact that Atlanta is a city with a very high concentration of Negroes. Search elsewhere for "talent" to fill out your roster.
Countered Beasley, "As I expected, [Schuerholz?s] idea is the bottom line: I'll put the best 40 men I can get wherever I can get them from on the field, and that's fair. But the fact of the matter is if they put resources into recruiting here in the United States, and more specifically here in Atlanta, there are talented players here."
Rainbow/PUSH already unequivocally demonstrated, by making their statement, that there is NO diminished interest in baseball within the Negro community. Clearly, the ownership doesn't understand their responsibilities. The Braves' are operating under the flawed mentality that it is in their interest to please their fans by bringing in the best talent they can find. Regardless of where the talent originates or what color skin.
In a perfect world, this might be fine. But doing so doesn't take into consideration a very important factor. The name of the team is the Atlanta Braves. Atlanta. By using the city's name, the team assumes the responsibility of ensuring that, before they go off to the Caribbean or Latin America looking for talent, they scour Atlanta high and low for the talent to fill out their roster. We've established that Atlanta has a large Negro population. And we've established that, and it is proven by Rainbow/PUSH's statement, there is NO diminished enthusiasm for baseball within that Negro community. It only makes sense that, if the Braves would follow this suggested manner of acquiring talent, the result would be a swelling of Negroes on the roster.
"You slipped down to nothing, now you've got one, we expect it to start going up higher," Beasley said was the sentiment he voiced in the meeting. "We want to see incrementally it move back up, rather than moving down. There was an openness on [Schuerholz's] part to talk and to be in dialogue and hopefully be in partnership in trying to make sure that it happens. He was very nice, a gentleman. I'm going to hold him to his word to work with us and move those numbers back up to a respectable level."
At the time of the celebration of the 60th anniversary of Jackie Robinson, the Braves had no Negro players on the roster. In an effort to shield themselves from the blinding light of righteous indignation, the Braves called up a Negro outfielder (Willie Harris), who just happened to be from Robinson's home town. Such a transparent act of patronization is the sort of thing that sets race relations back 100 years.
Some will wonder what business Rainbow/PUSH has in setting the agenda of how MLB teams conduct their scouting and talent evaluations. Frankly, it seems natural. As stated earlier in this post, Rainbow/PUSH has a director of sports operations. It only makes sense that he use his title to operate sports.
An additional benefit is the experience and success Rainbow/PUSH has had in influencing and setting the agenda in other industries. Look no further than radio. Think the Imus situation could have been handled so effectively and seamlessly without the input of Rainbow/PUSH? And, do you think all the honest and fruitful dialogue and town hall type discussions that took place afterwards would have ever come about and led to the myriad of improvements that have been established?
On a side note: Andruw Jones had no comment on the Braves having no Negroes on the roster.
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Are the Braves for sale?
"Are the Braves for sale?"
Sir...errr....ma'am, ahem...purchasing the Braves would make it difficult for you to refer to team members as "million dollar niggers".
You sure you want to buy them?
Here's an idea:
"First Annual Freaknik World Series"
Anyone?
(and Andruw Jones is from the Dutch West Indes...which is probably why he spells his name wrong)
"(and Andruw Jones is from the Dutch West Indes...which is probably why he spells his name wrong)"
Sir, yes he is. And he is a Negro. They have them there, you know....
Oh yes...
Sorry, I didn't mean for that to sound like I was saying he wasn't.
After all, he did appear on a show called "Unique Whips" to trick out his Buick.
"After all, he did appear on a show called "Unique Whips" to trick out his Buick.'
Sir, are you suggesting that makes him an African-American?
WWTPD?
...What Would Terry Pendelton Do?
That's what I always ask myself.
"That's what I always ask myself. "
Sir, and we bet you seldom make mistakes in life....
what a joke...je$$e jackson makes millions off the backs of those he supposedly fights for. The Braves are in the business of winning baseball games not filling quotas with less than the best for the job. The true racism is in the NBA with the lack of american white players...fight for that je$$e. Your community is in shambles and you are worried about how many african americans are on the braves. I am sure if the braves made a nice contribution to the PUSH coalition this would go away really fast. Je$$e continues to try to the shake down anywhere he can..advancing his own bank account at the expense of others. How about shrinking the 70% of unwed mothers in the community instead of worrying about raising the 10% of african americans in baseball...jesse's priorities are whereever the dollar leads him.
" The Braves are in the business of winning baseball games not filling quotas with less than the best for the job. "
Sir, all Jesse is pointing out is that the Braves are making no effort to find the Negro talent.
They have a corporate responsibility to at least reflect the community they represent, which is Atlanta.
I know you can agree with that.
"They have a corporate responsibility to at least reflect the community they represent, which is Atlanta."
By your theory the Utah Jazz and Portland Trailblazers should be forced to have a majority of white players. The only responsiblity the Braves have is in putting the best product they can out on the field. And by the way, the Braves currently have 4 Georgia players on their team so to say they dont represent the community is ludacris. Using racism as a crutch has got to stop or the next generations of african americans will also be doomed to failure.
All jesse jackson sees is dollar signs for himself..he is a corporate shakedown artist who sees untapped earning potential in major league baseball. He got coca cola distributorships for his son by shaking down that company. here's how it goes...he finds a big business, finds a way to put a racist spin on them and then tells them that if they make a generous donation to his coalition it would go a long way in showing that they are mending their ways. Jesse Jackson is a money grubbing anti-semite who you fail to acknowledge referred to new york as "Hymie-town"...the jewish equivalent of using the n-word for african americans. As long as he and Al Sharpton are considered the top voices in the community no real progress will be made (unless you consider their fat wallets progress). You cant have racists battling against alleged racists..it is hypocritcal.
"By your theory the Utah Jazz and Portland Trailblazers should be forced to have a majority of white players. "
Sir, negative.
Re-read what we said. We said they are making no effort to find Negro talent. We are supremely confident that the Jazz have made every effort to locate any reasonably athletic 7 foot Mormons. There just aren't many.
"The only responsiblity the Braves have is in putting the best product they can out on the field."
And such sentiment is part of the problem in AMerica today. Big money companies DO have the corporate responsibility to be good citizens and to try to mitigate their prejudices.
"Jesse Jackson is a money grubbing anti-semite who you fail to acknowledge referred to new york as "Hymie-town"..."
We "fail"-ed to mention it....because it has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. Ever heard the expression "two wrongs don't make a right"? We thought so. Trying to racistly paint Jesse as a shakedown artist and bring up old news does in no way lessen the problems in MLB. You are trying to use distraction techniques which are usually the foundation of a worthless and losing argument. When one has no defense or logical rebutal, they throw stones which have no meaning or relevence to the topic at hand.
"You cant have racists battling against alleged racists"
Racism is an instutional derivative which mandates a component of power. You can't be talking about Negroes. Negroes aren't in power.
How does jesse jacksons past track record not have anything to do with this? This is what he always does...he puts a racist slant where there is no racism to further his own political and financial agenda. It is a joke to call him a leader.
I think maybe jesse is a mets fan and thinks if he can load up the braves with african american players from georgia who dont really deserve to be playing in the majors then the mets would win the division.
It is so sad how completely lost the african american community is in this country. I mean come on really do you believe guys like andruw jones and david ortiz arent being shut out of major league baseball because even though they are men of color they are not "african american" that is idiotic. If baseball teams dont win they dont make money..they do what they have to to get the BEST players not the ones who fit a demographic.
Basically stop your whining, pull yourselves up as a community and fix the real problems plagueing you. This other stuff is a joke and you know it. But i do understand that using racism as a cause for every failure makes those failures easier to take.
"We're diverse because we're looking for the best in talent and character," [White Sox] general manager Ken Williams (who is black) said before the Series started. "It just happened that way. I could care less what the makeup of the club is as long as it works as a whole."
Keep fighting the good fight? NHL you're next!
".he puts a racist slant where there is no racism "
Sir, there was a team which used to have many Negro members. And then it had NONE. AND, when they finally did bring one up, they waited until the 60th Anniversary of Jackie Robinson. My goodness.
Why not just have White and Black drinking fountains at the Braves stadium?
"If baseball teams dont win they dont make money"
Sir, explain the Pirates. The Devil Rays. The Cubs. The Rangers. The Senators.
Profit sharing. They make money as long as the the Yankees, Sox, and other Big Market teams do.
"Basically stop your whining"
Well, and you continue with your outstanding debating tactics. Unable to PROVE ONE point, you just through stones. Your intellectual capacity an ability to communicate it are astounding. Your depth of knowledge and understanding of the racial socioeconomics of this country are unmatched. You sir, should be leading the governments policy on this. Your brilliance shines through like a birthday candle in a black hole.
"But i do understand that using racism as a cause for every failure makes those failures easier to take"
And we do understand that ignoring racism in this country and blaming the inability of those crushed under its wheels to catch up with the rest of the country is a favorite tactic of those that dress in sheets.
Your arguments are empty. You present ZERO fact or evidence. And your racism is unhideable.
You are disgusting.
You are the reason the Negro people can't move forward AND the reason America can't move forward.
You wear your shame like a badge of honor. Wrapping yourself in your ignorance for the world to see; yet too blind to see the world turn away in abhorance at your evil ways.
Life with the devil is your life. Our life is righteous. Clearly, our paths shant cross. Enjoy your eternity in purgatory, white satan.
"We're diverse because we're looking for the best in talent and character," [White Sox] general manager Ken Williams (who is black) said before the Series started. "It just happened that way. I could care less what the makeup of the club is as long as it works as a whole."
Keep fighting the good fight? NHL you're next!"
Sir, the White Sox have Negroes on their roster. The Braves don't/didn't. Your point is moot.
The NHL is not next.
We did a post in January explaining why.
10 percent of the US population is black....10 percent of major league baseball players are black...enough said about this. It is a phony garbage issue..enough of playing this victim card...grow up. I think we can all agree that the problems within the african american community far outweigh this issue. But if jesse points out those realities he would alienate his community who feels that the white man is the cause of all their problems. Why not concentrate on the important statistics like how many african american kids are born to single mothers (i am sure that is the white mans fault too). I mean look at the NBA draft..have you ever seen a player drafted who had the same last name as his mother.
Affirmitive action is reverse discrimination!!
"Why not just have White and Black drinking fountains at the Braves stadium?"
yes those are very similar things..idiotic!! The braves have players of color, now that segment has to be even further subdivided..idiotic!! Oh wait they dont have any jewish american players either...THEY ARE ANTI SEMITES TOO!!
"Sir, explain the Pirates. The Devil Rays. The Cubs. The Rangers. The Senators."
The senators first of all arent even a baseball team so i question anything you say. Secondly those teams dont make money unless they cut their payroll to low levels. The cubs lose money every year..check out forbes magazine (or is that racist too).
"Your arguments are empty. You present ZERO fact or evidence. And your racism is unhideable."
FACT, 70 percent of african american children are born to single mothers. When does personal responsibilty ever enter your equation?
FACT black on black crime and black on white crime in this country is far more prevalent than white on black crime. But you feel that wrongs of the past entitle you to behave in certain ways...WRONG.
I am not racist I feel badly that after all this time african americans are still in such a mess as a community. But at some point there has to be more than just blaming the "white satan" for everything.
Sir, we meant the Nationals. But we accept your vitriolic and empty attack on how this error on our part means that NOTHING we say has value. Again, this is the highlight of your debating techniques. To offer nothing. And then point out mistakes or facts that don't apply to the point at hand. Typical of the empty intellect strike of your keyboard reveals.
"The cubs lose money every year..check out forbes magazine "
And then they make up the profits through profit sharing. You forgot that part.
"FACT, 70 percent of african american children are born to single mothers. When does personal responsibilty ever enter your equation?
FACT black on black crime and black on white crime in this country is far more prevalent than white on black crime. But you feel that wrongs of the past entitle you to behave in certain ways...WRONG."
And this relates to the Braves' unwillingness to spend time searching for African-American players, how? You just spewed out several "facts" that relate in no shape or form to our discussion. Every empty post you put up further cements our contention that you have addressed NOTHING relevent to the point at hand. Are you really this dense? Or is this an act? If so, you deserve an Oscar. Hoffman as Rain Man has nothing on your ability to portray the mentally and intellectually impaired.
"I am not racist I feel badly that after all this time african americans are still in such a mess as a community. But at some point there has to be more than just blaming the "white satan" for everything. "
Sir, the Negro community doesn't blame the white satan for everything. The Negro community simply points out those specific things that ARE racially motivated. And THEN white satans, such as YOU, try to belittle every single contention as being whining and griping.
We cherish the day, and it will come here, that whites are no longer the majority. It will be a pleasure to see what "excuses" you come up with for not getting your way.
Go clean your sheets.
there is no profit sharing in baseball..only a luxury tax to penalize teams that spend highly on payroll. The object for that is competitive balance so that smaller market teams can have money to spend on PLAYERS not for the owners profit...so you really dont understand it much. Teams need to win to sell tickets and make money...that is why nothing would stop these teams from putting the best talent on the field.
"We cherish the day, and it will come here, that whites are no longer the majority. It will be a pleasure to see what "excuses" you come up with for not getting your way."
It wont be hard to come up with excuses, I will just research all those that your community currently leans on. Hopefully we could find someone like Je$$e to get us things we are "owed" so we dont have to work as hard for them.
"And this relates to the Braves' unwillingness to spend time searching for African-American players, how? You just spewed out several "facts" that relate in no shape or form to our discussion. Every empty post you put up further cements our contention that you have addressed NOTHING relevent to the point at hand."
It relates to the point because making up problems, like the braves situation, where there really is none allows leaders like jesse jackson to get press coverage without having to attack real issues that are plagueing his community. Until the african american community starts focusing in on real issues, like the ones I mentioned, failure will continue.
You can name-call all you want but in your heart you know the things I say are true but too difficult for you to admit. But Jesse cant make any real money by going into african american communites and fixing the problems from the inside out. Jesse's favorite color is green not black and he would stomp on the necks of a thousand african americans to grab a buck.
"It relates to the point because making up problems, like the braves situation, where there really is none "
Sir, the problem isn't made up. Look at the roster. There is one African-American player. And wasn't called up until the Anniversary celebration.
"It wont be hard to come up with excuses, I will just research all those that your community currently leans on. Hopefully we could find someone like Je$$e to get us things we are "owed" so we dont have to work as hard for them"
Sir, and THIS is what proves YOU are are RACIST. And the most insidious type. The "I'm not a racist" racist.
You completely discount the effect of 400 years of slavery, subjegation, segregation, and prejudice. You discount that afte the "freeing" of slaves, they were denied education, property and acceptance.
People like YOU do nothing to better the situation. All you say is "stop whining". Sir, 400 years of deprivation can't be made up in the 40 years that have passed since the civil rights movement.
After YOUR people have been slaves, oppressed and institutional denied equal treatment and opportunity in this country for 400 years...well, then...feel free to claim you are "owed" something and don't have to work hard.
I'm sure your lily-white hands are soft as a baby behind. Hard worker.
We prefer the racists that just come out and say "I hate Negroes". At least they are honest and you know what you are dealing with.
The racists like you, that pretend the Negro is responsible for EVERY aspect of his condition. Who discount the fact that 400 years of institutional racism can not be corrected in simply a few decades and WITHOUT taking special measures to correct the issues which still linger. Who say, "quit whining". Well, you are the most loathesome and disgusting.
We prefer the Klan to likes of the "I"m not a racist" racist.
You are the lowest form of life that the world offers.
Everything YOU do and say screams "racist". But you can't even admit it to yourself.
In an odd way, that's sad.
Did you bleach your sheets yet?
oh please...look in the mirror...and place the blame where it belongs. The african american community has gone backwards in this country for the past 40 years and it is due to a lack of male leadership and focus. Why do u refuse to face this. The problems are not all for others to fix. I know several people of color born outside the US who live here now and are equally disgusted with how african americans conduct themselves. You cannot thrive in a culture without work ethic and responsiblilty, where handouts are the goal.
the braves have 4 players from georgia on the team currently..2 from atlanta itself. Basically more local grown talent than any other big league team. So your argument that they are not looking for talent in Georgia is a flat out lie. Could it be that the players currently on the team are just the best for the job of winning games?? I guess not in the world of affirmitive action.
Since you say Andruw Jones is a negro and he plays for the braves and they have 4 players from georgia on the team, your argument is basically that the braves are showing some kind of bias just against african american players born in Georgia..sheer stupidity. They have proven by their track record that they find great local talent...they just happen not to be black....remember being able to slam dunk wont help you hit a curveball.
Here is a project for you...find any african american player from georgia who put up better high school stats than players drafted by the braves over the last 10 years..you will find NONE. So your argument is that they should put african american players on their team just because they are african american....foolish and racist talk.
"So your argument that they are not looking for talent in Georgia is a flat out lie."
Sir, your ignorance is sad.
It isn't MY argument, first of all. It is Rainbow/PUSH's.
Secondly, the argument is that the Braves aren't looking for African-American talent locally.
Are you REALLY this dense or is this some sort of game designed to make me think I am debating someone "special"? Seriously, you're a mongoloid, aren't you? You can be this stupid and not have chromosome mutations.
"Here is a project for you"
And here is a project for you. Put your biases and try to look past the color of peoples skin.
Your racism makes our skin crawl.
But, we do thank you for stopping by our page, Grand Wizard...it's been a pleasure watching you personify the ignorant racist.
Again your name calling and ignorance should be expected why should anyone think you would pay any attention to fact.
"Secondly, the argument is that the Braves aren't looking for African-American talent locally."
Yes the braves must be going to Georgia high schools and just ignoring the more talented black players...please get a life. Just like the atlanta hawks must not be scouting enough white georgia players...spin spin spin it is all you do to make yourself feel better about your horrible situation.
according to you this must be how a braves scout works at local high school games...."man that kid is the best player i have ever seen...but he is black, we better forget him..i mean we couldnt live with ourselves if we won with african american players..i mean andruw jones is black but he isnt an african AMERICAN so that is okay"
Let me ask you oh wise man....what special exceptions should the braves make to find african american players in georgia...is scouting high schools not enough or are you saying that not enough african americans are in high school to be fairly judged in athletics.
All you do is write insults but you have no answers for the facts...your fear of facing the truth is abundantly clear..i pity you.
Again why do u refuse to answer...show me an example of a more talented black high school player passed up by the braves in a draft..YOU CANT DO IT....All this is a phony story made up by your man jesse because he sees a big corporation "major league baseball" and that means if he shakes them money will fall out of their pockets...money grubbing scum.
Tawanna Brawley, Duke Lacrosse and now MLB...lie and shake em down brother...it beats working for a living.
"Again your name calling and ignorance should be expected why should anyone think you would pay any attention to fact."
Sir, the moment you bring a fact relevent to the topic, we'll listen. Everything you have brought directly on topic has been opinion. The facts you have presented have been tertiary, and off topic. In debate, they are called distractions. You through out facts that have nothing to really do with the debate topic, in an effort to draw attention away from the fact that you bring nothing of relevence, other than racist opinion, on topic. Simple.
"according to you this must be how a braves scout works at local high school games"
Sir, is this another fact that we should be paying attention to? You try to apply our thought process, which you don't even understand...because you aren't even debating the same points we are, to something we haven't even mentioned.
Can you now see why we think you are an idiot? Probably not..
"your fear of facing the truth is abundantly clear"
Sir, the truth is that racism, over the course of 400 years, has taken a toll on the Negro community. 400 years of degraded economic, social, educational, professional and any other opportunity you can think of...And now you would pretend that everyone in this country is on equal ground because the last few decades a few efforts have been made to make changes. You say, in response to the contention that more has to be done to undo these 400 years of oppression, you say "quit whining". LOL.
And you claim we fear facing the truth? You may be right, we may well fear facing the truth. But, you? You can't even see the truth. And that is why WE fear facing it.
"show me an example of a more talented black high school player passed up by the braves in a draft"
Sir, unlike you, we won't pretend to know exactly how the Braves scout or pretend to be experts on GA HS baseball. We'll leave those pretentions to you.
We will say, that GA produces some of the best Negro HS football and basketball players in the country and many make the pro leagues. It would be reasonable to assume that there would be some Negro HS baseballers in GA that could do the same, no?
"Duke Lacrosse"
Huh? We seem to remember a white DA up for re-election in a predominantly Negro community being the one that started that whole mess.
Typical tho, you choose to forget that it was a WHITE man trying to take advantage of and fool Negro voters. You prefer to somehow blame Jesse Jackson for the mess. All Jackson did wrong in this mess was to go down there and BELIEVE the white man.
"All Jackson did wrong in this mess was to go down there and BELIEVE the white man."
yes it was a white man who cried rape..you are an idiot. Probably a product of the lack of education in your community.
Every argument you make points to others. Why cant you admit the horrendous condition of the african american community..you refuse to acknowledge that any cure can come from within....colleges scour the country looking for black kids who can gain entry with much lower academic scores than white kids but still your community doesnt stress education...FIX IT, ACKNOWLEDGE IT, ALL U DO IS BLAME..like a child.
"We will say, that GA produces some of the best Negro HS football and basketball players in the country and many make the pro leagues. It would be reasonable to assume that there would be some Negro HS baseballers in GA that could do the same, no?"
so now you are in the business of assuming...no fact, no proof, assumption. There is no special place where teams go just to scout white players...regardless of any of your conspiracy theories
"Sir, unlike you, we won't pretend to know exactly how the Braves scout or pretend to be experts on GA HS baseball. We'll leave those pretentions to you."
no you will leave that pretending to Jesse..he knows all. The braves should just cut to the chase, write a check to PUSH and be done with it.
you throw around terms like "idiot and mongoloid" which shows your true lack of education....the truth is hard to take....and that crutch will eventually snap..there are no short cuts or handouts...RAISE YOUR KIDS..MARRY YOUR WOMEN AND STAY OUT OF JAIL AND STOP BLAMING ME IF YOU CANT
"yes it was a white man who cried rape..you are an idiot. "
Sir, who was on the news every day holding news conferences, saying he had evidence, saying the Duke kids were GUILTY beyond doubt????
Who?
A WHITE MAN running for REELECTION in a predominantly NEGRO community.
Are you THAT stupid AND racist that you can't admit that????
Even the NC Bar association reprimanded Wilfong. HIS FELLOW LAWYERS CALLED HIM OUT!!!!! He was forced to step down from the case!!!!
And you absolve him of blame????
You, sir, are the most ignorant racist we have seen yet on this page. You take the crown.
My gosh.
"so now you are in the business of assuming...no fact, no proof, assumption. "
Sir, we figured we'd argue the same way you do. With no facts and plenty of pretentions. You seem satisfied WHEN you make assumptions and present them as reasonable. WHy can't we? It isn't logical to assume if many Negro athletes are coming out of Georgia that a few baseball players might, too? LOL. Do you even know what logic is? No, seriously....do you. Cause if you do, you are doing an outstanding job of pretending not to.
"RAISE YOUR KIDS..MARRY YOUR WOMEN AND STAY OUT OF JAIL "
Please, you probably don't have a Negro friend and probably have never had one in your home. And save us the "i know a black guy" routine. Your point of view makes it abundantly clear. You hate blacks.
So, please, you know nothing about the Negro community. The only things you know about the problems are what you read in the white media. You probably have done nothing in a Negro community but lock your doors as you drive through.
If you can't acknowledge that 400 years of oppression and racism aren't responsible for ANY of the ills of Negro America. There is no point in going on.
You take the side that the AMerica is perfect. There is no racism.
You are a disgrace. And you know it. To try to pretend that 400 years of taking a back seat has played NO role in the problems that exist is probably the dumbest thing we have ever heard. And you have said a lot of stupid things.
Sir, the very fact that you deny racism in America, that you deny 400 years of oppression...well that is all the evidence needed to expose you as having absolutely ZERO understanding of the problems in not only Negro communities but America in general.
"you throw around terms like "idiot and mongoloid" which shows your true lack of education..."
Really? The fact you are a mongoloid idiot proves WE are uneducated? We'll gladly put the sheepskins up on our walls up against yours any day, my friend.
The fact that YOU deny 400 years of history exposes YOUR lack of education. I bet you are one of those people that denies the Jewish holocaust, too? It never happened, right? You Nazi.
"STOP BLAMING ME IF YOU CANT"
No one blames you. You don't hold any power over anyone. You aren't in a position to out think anyone. Trust us, no one blames you for a thing. The ignorant and powerless aren't to blame.
Well, we take that back. If you have kids, we do blame you for poisoning the gene pool.
70 PERCENT HAVE NO FATHERS RAISING THEM...70 PERCENT...SAD.
"This phenomenon, once thought limited to African Americans, now affects whites as well, so much so that the rate at which white children are born to an unmarried mother is now as high as the rate for black children in the mid-1960s."
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:-7FVQIbfhOsJ:www.city-journal.org/html/12_1_why_we.html+percent+of+black+children+raised+without+a+father&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us
Just thought the dude screaming about blacks being raised without fathers might want to know that the trend is growing at an even HIGHER rate for whites.
He keeps talking about facts, but clearly don't know a damned thing about what he's talking about. Like for instance that a greater percentage of WHITES are on wellfare than blacks.
Get your info straight, man. You just spouting out what you think you know!
Also, NOIS, take it easy on him. You making him look like a fool.
I apologize, things are going really well in the african american community. The priorities are straight when the amount of african american players on the atlanta braves is a rallying cry issue.
"He keeps talking about facts, but clearly don't know a damned thing about what he's talking about. Like for instance that a greater percentage of WHITES are on wellfare than blacks."
Where are YOUR facts coming from??I mean you cant even spell WELFARE correctly.
"Just thought the dude screaming about blacks being raised without fathers might want to know that the trend is growing at an even HIGHER rate for whites."
Of course it is going to grow at a higher rate for whites...When the number is already 70 percent for blacks how much higher can it rise? I can tell you that the percentage will never even come close to approaching 70 percent. You want to manipulate numbers but in the end all you are doing is the same thing...trying to take away focus from the real issues destroying your community. Help yourselves. I would gladly look forward to the day when at the NBA draft..one just even one..mother of a player had the same last name as her son.
Nobody is denying that racism exists but you also continue to ignore that african americans in this country have unmatched opportunity...opportunity that is being wasted. Affirmitive action has made it possible for black students with lesser credentials to get into top universities yet the black high school drop out rate is higher than ever. The biggest reason why other minority groups such as jews and asians have been able to thrive is because of a community focus on education and family.
Shouldnt the focus be on the percentage of african americans not in high school more than the percentage playing for the braves?
But that was my point from the beginning...Jesse Jackson only takes action on issues that potentially get him paid...the track record is there but i know you will continue in your denial.
But i know somehow slavery will be at fault for any and all shortcomings within the community. Like when Bill Cosby came out and pointed out all these things he was ostracized by the community. There was a collective sense of "oh no our cover has been blown". Now when anyone points out these things they are labeled racist.
"He keeps talking about facts, but clearly don't know a damned thing about what he's talking about. Like for instance that a greater percentage of WHITES are on wellfare than blacks."
This is also a case of you manipulating numbers. It is true that about 60 percent of welfare goes to whites versus about 33 percent for blacks. But isnt it also true that blacks only make up 10 percent of the population...so explain how 10 percent of the population eats up over 30 percent of welfare payments. There arent equal amounts of african americans and whites in this country so your argument is completely flawed. There are more whites on welfare as a total number but that is because there are many more whites in the country. On a percentage basis the amount of blacks on welfare is extremely high.
"Where are YOUR facts coming from??I mean you cant even spell WELFARE correctly."
- i left a link. you aint done that at all.
- i looked at your posts and, trust, you have made more than your fair share of typos. But like the blog said, you seem to wanna just divert attention from the point. Cause you ain't brought no verifiable facts or references to the table. It's all your point of view. And it's funny. Cause you say all this stuff about priorities of blacks and how the blacks see things, but you never even BEEN to a black community. You don't know a damned thing about what is important to black families. You read the news and think that say it all. You get half a story and run with it.
Now, if you wanna just forget all the relevent points that you can't make and turn this to a spelling bee, that's fine with me, Ms. Crabapple.
Your first word is "denial".
"This is also a case of you manipulating numbers. It is true that about 60 percent of welfare goes to whites versus about 33 percent for blacks. But isnt it also true that blacks only make up 10 percent of the population...so explain how 10 percent of the population eats up over 30 percent of welfare payments. "
Man, you still ain't put up a link to your numbers!
YOU are manipulating. There is a larger percentage of the white population that receives welfare checks than there is the black population that receives them.
I know, in your "blame the black man for letting himself be a slave" mentality, you can't accept this.
Try looking shit up and posting a link instead of just taking number off the top of your head, man.
"Nobody is denying that racism exists but you also continue to ignore that african americans in this country have unmatched opportunity'
Come on! You joking right?
Sure, AA has opened some doors. Unmatched opportunity?
You act like every Black person that applies to college gets accepted with a 600 SAT.
I'll tell you what, AA does not approach the "unmatched" opportunities available for "legacies" and relatives of well to do Whites when it's college application time.
Also, you sound silly, man.
You are like the guy in 1865 that says "gee, why are Blacks still complaining, they just got set free. Everything is equal now."
You talk about education needing to be a priority for Blacks. You do realize that for 300 years Blacks were denied education. That in the Southern part of this country, as little as 35 years ago when Blacks tried to go to the same schools as Whites, there was violence and riots, right?
Man, you are so full of shit that it stinks through the internet.
We all know that Blacks can do more for ourselves. But, you act like that is all there is too it.
You have no concept of the institutional problems that have caused the Black community to fall so far behind.
Like the guy said before. You the type of White man that tells Blacks it's their own fault for being in Africa and getting kidnapped.
Grow up, man.
"I apologize, things are going really well in the african american community."
Sir, when you actually know someone in the Negro community. Or actually have spent some time in it, I'm sure the Negro community will care about your state of the Negro address.
I'm glad to see that you at least now are willing to admit that racism exists. It is disturbing tho that you still refuse to confess that, while it exists, there are negative effects.
In your world, racism has positive effects?
"YOU are manipulating. There is a larger percentage of the white population that receives welfare checks than there is the black population that receives them."
Here we go again..I ACKNOWLEDGED THAT!!! Whites make up the large percentage of people in this country so it makes sense they get the highest percentage of welfare. Why dont you acknowledge the fact that blacks make up 10 percent of the population but take over 30 percent of welfare payments. That is the number that is way out of proportion. Are you too dense to see that??
"You talk about education needing to be a priority for Blacks. You do realize that for 300 years Blacks were denied education. That in the Southern part of this country, as little as 35 years ago when Blacks tried to go to the same schools as Whites, there was violence and riots, right?"
No doubt your history is correct but is it your argument that blacks drop out of school today because 35 years ago there were riots? Last I checked blacks in this country were being offered public tax payer provided education...how is the increasing drop out rate explained by the examples you gave? If anything the fact that these things that were once denied and are now available should make them more appreciated. Your ancestors would cry at the way the community is dumping on the opportunity they wish the had gotten.
Sounds like the excuse mentality again.
"We all know that Blacks can do more for ourselves. But, you act like that is all there is too it."
Never said it was all there is to it but the community has been regressing even in the face of social changes that have given more opportunity over the past 35years.
"Like the guy said before. You the type of White man that tells Blacks it's their own fault for being in Africa and getting kidnapped."
Here we go again..nobody denies that blacks were wronged in this country but at what point as a community do you take stock and try to move in a postive direction?
over 60 years ago 6 million jews died in the holocaust.but they use it as motivation to succeed and never let it happen again instead of as a crutch.
"nobody denies that blacks were wronged in this country but at what point as a community do you take stock and try to move in a postive direction?"
Sir, how can the Negro community, take stock, when people of your kind have left them an empty cupboard? Take stock of what?
You choose to ignore all the programs, all the positives, all the effort the the Negro community puts into things.
You choose to only acknowledge what you see on MTV and that the white media only covers Jesse and Al.
You choose to frame things as if the Negro community lays around and does nothing.
That is why I beg you; if you aren't going to actually go out and see what is going on...if don't actually know any Negroes. Shut up.
Seriously. If all you bring to the table is the "lazy nigger" mentality. If all you bring to the table is the "Jesse and Al" are the voice of America sentiment. Well, all you have proven is you don't know a thing about Negro America except how it is portrayed by the White media.
If you knew any Negroes, you'd know. That most say Jesse and Al don't speak for them. Yet, you pretend that all Negroes are spoken for and agree with them. You do this because that is what you see in the media. The white media. The white media only covers them. But, I suppose, that like everything else, that that is the Negroes fault, too. Right?
Sir, you have put forth several statistics. And that is all well and good.
But you haven't examined ONE root cause behind the stats. All you do is blame the "lazy nigger".
You haven't mentioned the efforts of thousands of people. Effort that is undone on a daily basis by the White Media's choice to ignore it and only perpetuate certain personalities and acts.
If you knew thing one about the Negro community, you'd know that their are innumerable programs out there trying to reach out.
But you don't know.
You don't accept that these programs NEED help. You won't admit that after 400 years of denying basic rights that this country has the responsibility to help.
You bring up the Jews.
The Jews were GIVEN their own country that is HUGELY funded by the US, after the holocaust.
The Jews have an anti-defamation league that ATTACKS any one that speaks out against Israeli politics or Jews in general as being anti-semetic.
And this is all well and good with you.
Yet, Negro Americans. People in YOUR own country that are trying to achieve equality after 400 years of wrong...well, they are lazy and shiftless and should just shut up and stop whining.
My goodness.
Again, you admit racism exists. Now, you even admit that wrongs have been committed. But, will you admit that their are lingering effects of all these wrongs? I doubt it. You say that the Negro is responsible for correcting all these wrongs himself. What a skewered view.
"You bring up the Jews.
The Jews were GIVEN their own country that is HUGELY funded by the US, after the holocaust."
How can you be GIVEN what was rightfully yours...the land given to the jews was theirs and had been taken away from them...they are funded because through education and the proper channels jews have developed a postive influence in this country.
Since the civil rights movement things like AA have been used to try to level the field. It is just as if nobody cares to use them. I am from a community that is mostly african american..so i do see it first hand and all your comments about how i only see things on MTV are idiotic. The high school i went to that is now 90 percent african american is being shut down because of the violence...even the metal detectors couldnt do enough. So dont tell me i dont see anything first hand. Tell me then..there is no other reason why the community is falling apart besides the effects of slavery?? The statisitics that you try to dismiss dont lie no matter how much you want to bury them.
"The Jews have an anti-defamation league that ATTACKS any one that speaks out against Israeli politics or Jews in general as being anti-semetic.
And this is all well and good with you"
Isnt this what you are doing to anyone critical of the african american community..you try to shout them down..facts be damned.
A friend of mine got an african american kid an interview for a summer internship at his office. The kid comes in dressed in 150 dollar jeans and 200 dollar sneakers and when my friend asks him "you are here for an interview..where is your suit?" his reply was "I cant afford a suit".
Yes it is only one case but if you dont feel that the issue of a lack of priorities is dragging down your community you are kidding yourselves.
Nation of Islam, this entire blog is a joke. The braves have three players from metro atlanta on their major league roster right now. Without checking any stats, I can say, pretty positively, that there isn't two more teams in the league that can make that same claim for their respective city. So Atlanta's percentage of "negroes" is irrelevant. If there were some blacks out there that could catch and hit like McCann, throw like Franceur, or pitch like Davies, they would be there with them.
If we base roster demographics on the franchise's host cities, why not start with the Oakland A's?
And you are completely wrong. The braves goal is and should be to 1)make money, and 2) win games. As a fan it hurts me to put money as number one, but it is a business; a privately owned business at that. If the goal wasn't to make money, we would have players that worked construction in the off season and the level of play wouldn't be near where it is today.
Now, we are going to have a disagreement, because we have basic moral differences. I believe personal achievement and abilitiy should be the deciding factor of who is awarded a spot on a roster of a mlb baseball team, or any business for that matter. See, i believe in individuality and am not a proponent of discrimination. You, however, believe in the "common good" and don't mind discriminating against/for a class of people. You will not move forward until you accept responsibility for YOUR actions and come to terms that your position in life is the great sum of all of your choices made to this point.
"the Braves should be focusing their efforts on tapping into that undiminished enthusiasm for baseball within the Negro community." There is a great "undiminished enthusiasm" for NFL football among 40 yr old white bald men that are slightly overweight. Does that mean I deserve a spot on the NY Jets roster?
These people sound like the same crackers that wrote the great mr hank aaron hate mail back when he was about to crush whitey's beloved babe ruth's home run record.
"As a fan it hurts me to put money as number one, but it is a business; a privately owned business at that"
Sir, as long as tax payer dollars build the billion dollar stadiums, it is not private business.
The local tax base has provided the venue for the white owners to make Billions.
Represent the tax paying community.
" There is a great "undiminished enthusiasm" for NFL football among 40 yr old white bald men that are slightly overweight. Does that mean I deserve a spot on the NY Jets roster?"
Sir, we are willing to bet that you are being kind to yourself by saying "slightly overweight"
Get your fat ass in shape, then talk about a try out.
If you would have any context of the comments about "undiminished enthusiasm", you would rightly understand that they were made in reference to white media insinuations that the faultering percentage of Negro MLB players is due to disinterest in baseball in the Negro community. The individual that made the statement reference undiminished enthusiasm was referencing that notion.
Please, sir, we beg you. If you are going to commment.
i. understand the issue
ii. understand the context of the reference TO the issue
We can't go further until you do, unfortunately. We don't want to call you stupid. But you leave little option.
"These people sound like the same crackers that wrote the great mr hank aaron hate mail back when he was about to crush whitey's beloved babe ruth's home run record. "
Sir, the fat late 40's bald guy was probably holding a crayon in his hand scribbling hate mail to Hank back in the day. No doubt.
"How can you be GIVEN what was rightfully yours"
So, you are in favor of giving the land your home is built on back to the Native Americans it was taken from? Excellent of you.
" jews have developed a postive influence in this country."
And, some might bring to point of order that, part of that positive influence and image that has been developed has been through the media. And, some might bring to point of order that Jews control large portions of it. Hey, we're not accusing anyone of anything...we're just saying. Lot of Jews in the media. Positive influence and imaging. Not a lot of Negroes in the media. You're clearly a smart (sorry, we have to laugh...hahahah) guy. Figure it out.
" I am from a community that is mostly african american"
Now you are from an Negro community? 40 comments into this? Not a word til now? After I brought it up many times?
LOL. Sorry, we find it necessary to wave the bullshit flag. Now all of a sudden, you were raised in a Negro world and have nothing but Negro friends. I taste bile in my mouth. Your lies are so powerful they are contaminating the righteous readers of this blog.
"The statisitics that you try to dismiss dont lie no matter how much you want to bury them."
Sir, statistics mean NOTHING if you don't have a root cause to explain and understand them. And you can't get to a root cause if you don't reasonably account for all conditions involved in the development and capture of the statistics.
"there is no other reason why the community is falling apart besides the effects of slavery"
Do not understand, that even after slavery, Negroes were denied basic rights for almost a century? You seem to have a disconnect. The effects of slavery on the Negro didn't end in 1865. Let's take education. You contend that Negroes should wake up tomorrow and it is priority number one. Do you not realize the cumulative effect that denial of the basic access to education had on generations of Negroes? We are only now starting to see positive changes in this area. If generations of your family were not educated, the value of education is not passed down by generation. It's very simple. Values are learned and passed down. There are now more Negroes than ever getting degrees. Those values are trickling down. Is it as fast as YOU think it should be? Apparently not. But to say, well, change the way you people have been looked at by society for 400 years by tomorrow, is pretty silly.
"Isnt this what you are doing to anyone critical of the african american community..you try to shout them down..facts be damned"
What facts have you presented? You gave some statistics. I don't dispute them. Then you said "quit whining" "it's your own fault" "fix your community yourself". We are college educated. One of our posters holds multiple masters. We have concluded that (other than the stats...which you NEVER provided a reference for) those aren't facts. We're sorry. But they just aren't.
You on the other hand, REFUSE to accept the documented fact that 400 years of oppression has a cumulative effect on a people. It is YOU shouting people down. Refuting basic historical acknowledgement with your "facts", "stop whining", "it's all your own fault". Umm. Not to be unfair to you, clearly you are a great thinker. But we'll side with the historians and social scientists that conclude that 400 years of slavery has done a touch of damage. Although we did ponder hard about your factual presentation of "quit whining" "it's your fault".
"The kid comes in dressed in 150 dollar jeans and 200 dollar sneakers"
Sir, again. You show your complete lack of knowledge. Ever heard of counterfeits? Just between you and me...It's easy to buy fakes of the real things for pennies on the dollar. It's called faking the funk. But, I figure, as the expert on the hood, you'd know this. Or...wait...you just assumed that every kid in the hood that has what appear to be top of the line name brand items bought the real thing cause he deals drugs? LOL.
You haven' addressed my question.
You admitted that racism exists. You admitted that racism has had an effect on the Negro community.
You still don't admit there are lingering effects? You don't admit the 400 years of slavery, racism and denial of equal rights has left a disadvantage?
"How can you be GIVEN what was rightfully yours"
Sir, we overlooked the significance of this before.
You claim Negroes have their hands out. Want something for nothing. Don't want to work. Are the ones solely responsible for the problems in the Negro community. That racism and slavery have left no lingering issues or residual effect on Negro America.
We say that all the Negro community wants is a fare chance to balance out these issues and catch up. That all the Negro wants are just rights. That all the Negro wants is equality in this country.
The Negro is only asking for equal rights. The Negro isn't asking for a handout or to be given anything.
In the words of the great philosopher:
"How can you be GIVEN what was rightfully yours"
"In the words of the great philosopher:
"How can you be GIVEN what was rightfully yours" "
looks like you sucked him in, now you spitting him out.
Anonymous, quit while you behind man. You looking like a fool.
"The Negro is only asking for equal rights. The Negro isn't asking for a handout or to be given anything.
In the words of the great philosopher:
"How can you be GIVEN what was rightfully yours"
"
Great point.
Anonymous thinks it's fine to give certain people back land that was abandoned a thousand years ago. And then continually fund them with aid, fight wars for them and all the rest.
But, when it comes to giving back the freedom and rights that were taken from the Negro. And maybe helping the Negro move up to where he might have been without those 400 years of stolen rights. Well, then it's "quit whining".
Damn, when you sort it out like that you can see the overt racist hypocrisy that the long winded anonymous is doling out.
NOIS, you have an excuse for everything...you accept nothing that doesnt back your theory that blacks are not responsible for their own actions. You insult anyone who brings valid points to destroy the crutch you lean on. And now you make anti-semetic remarks about the media (should have seen that coming with Islam in the title of your blog).
you speak as if you are on a pulpit and everyone praises around your excuse mentality. You are doing nothing to advance your cause only giving fuel to the "woe is me" mentality. Using terms like "crackers" shows you have little respect for others and must have even less respect for yourself..i pity you.
the jails are filled with black men..the high schools are not..the majority of black people do not show up to vote and yet it is the crackers fault again. You are misguided.
I know where i grew up..i certainly dont need to lie to you..i see cars with 2,000 rims driving into the projects and i question the value system. You are so far from catching up it is crazy because all you do is spit on any opportunity you get to catch up. It must make your failure so much easier to take.
This is again a phenomenon mostly found in african americans..this entitlement theory...those people of color who come as immigrants arent poisoned with the mentality that you have...they work for the dream.
you still havent explained how or why all the issues arising from slavery have caused a spike in black on black crime and single mothers in the last 20YEARS. It isnt that things are progressing fast enough..genius...it is that you are REGRESSING!!! The community is getting WORSE...the negative numbers are going UP not down....
"Sir, as long as tax payer dollars build the billion dollar stadiums, it is not private business."
where are your facts about the amount of tax dollars that went into building turner field in atlanta? you have no idea about that do you?? idiot..if you looked up the fact that ted turner built the stadium himself would you shut up about the braves issue.
"The kid comes in dressed in 150 dollar jeans and 200 dollar sneakers"
Sir, again. You show your complete lack of knowledge. Ever heard of counterfeits? Just between you and me...It's easy to buy fakes of the real things for pennies on the dollar.
you have an answer for everything and a solution for nothing...so now you know for a fact that kid was wearing counterfeits...i never saw someone who thinks they know it all really know less than you.
keep your focus on the real issues like the atlanta braves and don imus....jackass....you worried about the curtains and your floor is caving in.
Jesse jackson is probably paying you with some of his shakedown money. When exactly does the passing down of good values START?
just pointing something out real quick.
the anonymous that keeps mentioning that his facts are being disregarded; man, you are coming with stats that don't even support your argument.
You say 70% of black kids are born to single mothers. that's fine.
but, as you move up the socio-economic ladder...it DECREASES.
white kids are born to single mother at just under 30%...and as you go down the socio-economic ladder...that INCREASES...
The variable here isn't so much black or white...it's economic position and education..socio-economics.
There just so happens to be a lot higher percentage of the black population at the lower end of the spectrum...hence the higher overall rate of single mother hood.
While, I disagree with most of what he says. He is right that blacks should stop whining about the situation and just do it on their own somehow.
If he is any sort of represenation of the white man, he makes it clear that whites have no interest in copping to having any hand in the black dilemma. And less interest in participating in helping.
Although, he seems down with helping Israel. Cause, you know, the land was theirs. So we should support them and fund them. Forget about the rights that were the blacks. That stuff don't matter.
What a hypocrit.
Although, he seems down with helping Israel. Cause, you know, the land was theirs. So we should support them and fund them. Forget about the rights that were the blacks. That stuff don't matter.
What a hypocrit.
Most of the money that supports israel comes from the jews around the world who donate it there. Wow what a concept...people actually helping their own people instead of crying. There is no black leadership looking out for the best interests of african americans...where are they?? Those who are in that role are shakedown artists.
and judging by your screen name you are a classless individual.
"You insult anyone who brings valid points to destroy the crutch you lean on"
Sir, we wait breathlessy for you VALID point.
"And now you make anti-semetic remarks about the media "
Thanks. You fell right into the trap. What was anti-semetic? The fact that I pointed out that the media is largely controlled by Jews is anti-semetic? It is anti-Jewish?
Ok, on that logic, you now MUST admit that the fact you blame everything that is wrong in the Negro Community on Negroes is racist. You must. If you don't then you have to take back the anti-semetic accusation
You simply can't have it both ways.
"Using terms like "crackers"
Where did I use the term cracker?
Again, you make something up and pretend it is fact. I didn't use the term. Lies. You are a liar. How can anyone take anything you say on here as the truth, when you assault our character with an out right lie.
"I know where i grew up..i certainly dont need to lie to you.."
You just lied to us in the quote before this. If you have no need to lie, then why do you? Is it an uncontrollable habit? Or do you just enjoy it? Either way, it makes it impossible to believe you and not conclude you are making things up as you go along.
"You are so far from catching up it is crazy because all you do is spit on any opportunity you get to catch up."
Me? I'm caught up. I'll gladly weigh my financial worth against yours any day. As well as my degrees against yours any day. I'm a success story my friend. I beat your evil system.
"you still havent explained how or why all the issues arising from slavery have caused a spike in black on black crime and single mothers in the last 20YEARS."
Show me the stats. I pulled stats on single mothers. In 1965, for Negroes, it was 65%. Over the course of 40 years it has risen just under 5%. That isn't a SPIKE. Again, lies.
As for the incarceration rate. It is no coincidence that the war on drug that started in the 80's and mandated "stiffer" penalties and legislated more enforcement would produce a "spike" of crime in its wake.
There. Explained.
"so now you know for a fact that kid was wearing counterfeits"
And you do?
That finger you are pointing at me , questioning me with...stick it up your ass. I know as much as you know about his clothes. I'm just pointing out that YOU jumped to the conclusion they are real. Lot of that bling and fancy shit you see in the hood...IT AIN'T REAL. LOL.
"those people of color who come as immigrants arent poisoned with the mentality that you have"
Yes, they chose to come here and chase a dream. They aren't born into a system which has slighted them here for 400 years. Thanks for pointing that out. It only bolsters our point. Funny, the few cogent statements you've made have helped OUR argument.
And again, you avoid or question. And now it has become very telling. You avoid it on purpose.
We ask one last time:
You still decline to admit that 400 years of oppression has had an ill effect on Negro America. That 400 years of unequal treatment has played no role in what we see today? None?
Answer that. It's a simple yes or no question. Guarenteed you won't answer it.
"Most of the money that supports israel comes from the jews around the world who donate it there."
Friend, Israel, which is a fairly wealthy and small country is the LARGEST recipient of aid from the US government in the world.
And, US government aid is TAX dollars.
"people actually helping their own people instead of crying"
shit. anyone who says a word that a Jew disagrees with is called "anti-semetic". NOIS said Jews control a large portion of the media. That is a FACT. Yet the anonymous guy called him anti-semetic for that. Sounds like crying to me.
oh and, "anonymous" is just sooooo classy.
It is I who used the term cracker not NOIS, even though I thought of replacing it with peckerwood or white devils at the time. In hindsight I should have used all three.
"In hindsight I should have used all three."
Sir, hindsight is 20/20.
Nation of Islam sais
"Sir, as long as tax payer dollars build the billion dollar stadiums, it is not private business.
The local tax base has provided the venue for the white owners to make Billions.
Represent the tax paying community."
Sir, actually the stadium cost $235 million to build, quite a far cry from you billions figure. Of course, I wouldn't expect someone with their facts that far off base to actually worry about facts anyway.
Sir, construction of the stadium was funded by the Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games, then was given to Atlanta Fulton County after the games. This group also funded the construction of what the olympic village, which is now used as dorms for Georgia State University (should they only let black atlanta kids live there); and Centennial Olympic Park, which is now used by the local homeless and visiting second rate musicians. Atlanta-Fulton County rents this venue to the Atlanta Braves for $1.5 million per year (to be ajusted for inflation) plus any maintanence and improvements. I assume you don't have a proper understanding of leasing law, but when renting, one receives all rights and privilledges that would otherwise be granted to an owner.
Do not Jeff Franceur, Brian McCann, and Kyle Davies represent the tax paying community? Can you name another major league team, in any sport, that can make the claim of having three starters from their respective areas. You don't care if it "represents the tax paying community", you just want more blacks to be put in positions that they didn't earn. Besides, look at the surrounding area, or the community of which you speak. I wouldn't exactly call this area a "tax paying" community. They are being funded and kept afloat by north fulton county and us evil hated rich sucessful devils.
I think we are way beyond the point. Demographics don't matter. Show me a local black kid that can thrown a 95 mph sinker, and I will show you a local black kid that will make it to the big leagues.
"Sir, actually the stadium cost $235 million to build, quite a far cry from you billions figure. Of course, I wouldn't expect someone with their facts that far off base to actually worry about facts anyway."
Sir, and we wouldn't expect a racist to be bothered with the intricacies of reading comprehension. We said "owners" and "stadiums", in reference to all the owners and stadiums that are subsidized around the league. And those add up to Billions.
Here's some toilet paper. Wipe your mouth.
Additionally, if you do some research. The US Olympic committee receives government funding on some levels. And, companies that donate to it get tax right offs. Which means the government must cover that lost revenue for taxes raised elsewhere.
Don't play games. You don't know enough to argue here.
" They are being funded and kept afloat by north fulton county and us evil hated rich sucessful devils."
Sir, in your case, you clearly use the term "successful" in its loosest interpretation.
"Demographics don't matter"
But opportunity and responsibility do. But you wouldn't understand that. It's easier to throw stones down on the dark peasants from your ivory tower.
"Sir, as long as tax payer dollars build the billion dollar stadiums, it is not private business."
Now you are just digging. Maybe if you would have said the billions of dollars worth of stadiums, but try replacing your billion dollar adjective with another descriptive adjective, let us try height. "Sir, as long as tax payer dollars build the (thousand feet high) stadiums, it is not private business." Does this read that each stadium is 100 feet high, or does it read that all the stadiums combined are 100 feet high?
You are entitled to your point of view, and I to mine. You took note of me using the word success, i suppose you would use the word luck. You are admittedly wealthy. Did you get that way by means of luck? Was it the lottery, or gambling? Or did you take advantage of your ability and work ethic to put you in the place you are today?
How do you propose we enforced your black quota on the major league teams of today?
You have yet to answer my questions about the fact that the Braves represent the surrounding areas more than does any other team in major league sports today.
"Sir, and we wouldn't expect a racist to be bothered with the intricacies of reading comprehension. We said "owners" and "stadiums", in reference to all the owners and stadiums that are subsidized around the league. And those add up to Billions."
When it is convenient for your argument you limit it to just the braves..when it isnt you expand it. The braves do not own the stadium they play in they have a lease...so how exactly are they livng off of tax payer dollars??
"Additionally, if you do some research. The US Olympic committee receives government funding on some levels. And, companies that donate to it get tax right offs. Which means the government must cover that lost revenue for taxes raised elsewhere."
You talk about diversionary tactics....again how does this relate to the BRAVES who PAY to play in that stadium. Companies get tax right offs because the new construction provides jobs and new revenue streams in the form of tax dollars. They give tax breaks to encourage investment because they know in the end the government will more than make back the money lost on the tax break itself. Hey genius, the olympics brought in billions to the greater altanta economy. But again that is off the point of the braves...you again argue points only when they are convenient for you.
you still have no response for the amount of local talent on the braves roster currently and you wont have an answer because it destroys your whole phony argument. It is a glaring example of an argument for blacks to be given an unearned opportunity just because they are black. Keep lowering the bar so you can reach.
"Here's some toilet paper. Wipe your mouth"
you throw around these insults and it just shows you as the idiot you are. Did your Al Sharpton hair iron burn your brain or something?
"Maybe if you would have said the billions of dollars worth of stadiums, but try replacing your billion dollar adjective with another descriptive adjective, let us try height. "Sir, as long as tax payer dollars build the (thousand feet high) stadiums, it is not private business." Does this read that each stadium is 100 feet high, or does it read that all the stadiums combined are 100 feet high?"
Sir, the word stadium was PLURAL! Look, if you don't understand something, there is no shame in that. Just ask, and we will explain. We are here to teach, actually.
You're replacing a descriptive adjective which encompasses the cost of the stadiumS. We are talking about the collective cost. You are talking about describing dimensions. This is apples and assholes.
We're the apples.
"You took note of me using the word success, i suppose you would use the word luck."
Again, you misunderstand. We weren't saying you are lucky.
We are saying you aren't successful...thought it was pretty apparent.
"How do you propose we enforced your black quota on the major league teams of today?"
My quota? When did we mention any innumerated quota? You are making that up.
When did Rainbow/PUSH mention any quota? You are making that up.
All they asked was the the Braves make more of an effort to farm Negro talent. Who said quota? Oh...YOU did.
"You have yet to answer my questions about the fact that the Braves represent the surrounding areas more than does any other team in major league sports today. "
What perentage of the ATL area is Negro?
Do they still represent the area?
See, if you said, what team has more players from the area...well, we'd have to agree.
But YOU said represent. And that, specifically means reflects the make-up of the community.
Your word. Not ours. Unfortunately, your word here hurts your case.
"you still have no response for the amount of local talent on the braves roster currently and you wont have an answer because it destroys your whole phony argument"
Sir, we have addressed that in response to other commentors that make more sense than you. Read.
And, as we said before. We are done with you until you answer OUR question. You refuse to answer it because you KNOW it destroys your entire argument. Answer it yes or no. As we predicted you won't.
Again:
You still decline to admit that 400 years of oppression has had an ill effect on Negro America. That 400 years of unequal treatment has played no role in what we see today? None?
Answer that. It's a simple yes or no question. Guarenteed you won't answer it.
Your next response should be a simple YES or NO. We can't go further with you until you answer.
Your continual avoidance of this makes it clear; however, you KNOW the answer. And you know that when you give the honest answer, the argument is over.
"You have yet to answer my questions about the fact that the Braves represent the surrounding areas more than does any other team in major league sports today. "
What perentage of the ATL area is Negro?
again you spin...your argument is that it is not enough to have the most talented players from the area it is that blacks should be on the team because blacks live in atlanta...stupidity...you dont want it based on talent just on skin color. The point is that the braves do a great job of finding local talent...your only argument seems to be that they are intentionally ignoring superior negro talent...that is bogus. Here is the fact..the braves make more money if they win...you win with the most talented players...they have shown that they have talented players from the area...so it is more than reasonable to believe those players were the best they could find. I know this has to be simplified for you but the concept that the braves would pass on superior negro talent makes no sense.
The braves have no asian or indian players either..should they be forced to add some just because a percentage of those people live in atlanta...man i know you are slow to catch up but this is insane.
"You still decline to admit that 400 years of oppression has had an ill effect on Negro America. That 400 years of unequal treatment has played no role in what we see today? None?"
never said it didnt but of course you see only what you want to. The point is when do you have to lift a shovel as well to dig yourself out of the hole. Again you blame..with no solution...so 20 years from now you will still just be blaming.
And since this atlanta braves argument has totally blown up in your face of course you want to expand the issue elsewhere. The fact remains as long as so much emphasis by leaders such as Je$$e is put on these fabricated issues instead of trying to fix real issues the failure will continue.
I mean you still cannot admit this atlanta braves racism story is a load of bull...crying racism every time something doesnt go your way doesnt work...just makes people resent you.
FREE DON IMUS!!!
you are right NOIS. he has totally avoided the question for like 20 posts now. it goes back to his original words that blacks should stop whining and everyting is their own fault.
like you said, if answers with honesty and factually (it's been proven in many studies and in history), then his original points are blown up.
LOL.
nice take down, NOIS
"never said it didnt but of course you see only what you want to. The point is when do you have to lift a shovel as well to dig yourself out of the hole."
Sir, your contention now is that Negroes have done NOTHING to lift themselves out of the "hole"? Ok.
"And since this atlanta braves argument has totally blown up in your face of course you want to expand the issue elsewhere. The fact remains as long as so much emphasis by leaders such as Je$$e is put on these fabricated issues instead of trying to fix real issues the failure will continue."
You see, there is a method to the madness. You call them "fabricated issues". Well, in order to continue to bring attention to RACISM. In order to make people lie YOU realize that there are problems in this country that have lingered for over a century as a result of the oppression this country was founded upon...the likes of Jackson are necessary.
When we started this conversation you said, "quit whining" "fix things yourself". You wouldn't acknowledge that there are deep rooted issues that need fixed.
You are a closed minded person. Argue all you want. But many people like you are as well. The only way to gain ground and make fix the small issues, when you are dealing with prejudices...is to expand the thinking. Push the envelop to the edge. Find small racial issues and make them larger. That way it becomes more easy to look back and give attention to the real issues.
The gay community has been very effective in using this tactic to push their agenda and gain more social acceptance over the past few decades.
And, we suspect, you wouldn't be so resentful of these little instances of racism that the Rev's bring to light...if they didn't strike an accord.
We agree. Free Imus.
If nothing else, the young ladies that were recipients of his vitriole did go out and get perms.
What is insane is your unwillingness to answer a simple yes or no question.
Why are you so afraid to answer?
i have answered your question..yet you still refuse to acknowledge that the issue of this post is phony. afraid to face the truth but it will catch up to you in the end. And judging by the screen names of your supporters on this blog i feel for your uphill battle.
An embarrassment to yourself is an embarrassment to you all.
Anyone that is intellectually honest can read that sentence and agree that it can be interperated in both ways. Grow up.
I will happily answer. Yes. I will agree that it may play a role today. OK. So now what?
How does that apply to this argument? How does the past treatment of blacks, effect the baseball talent of blacks that were born in the late 80's?
Should we diminish the talent level of the Atlanta Braves team this year to make up for the past 400 years?
The biggest effect I see is that it gives people like you a reason to bitch about made up problems and provides a platform for the race pimps (Jesse and Al). Who benefits from racism the most?
When are you going to quit making excuses and feeling sorry for yourself and move on. A black man today has all the opportunity he wants to seize, as does the white man. America has given more blacks more opportunities, freedoms, and wealth than any other nation in history.
Please define racism for me. I will provide my definition.
Racism: 1) The belief that one race is inherently superior to another. 2) The injection of race into an argument with which it has no bearing.
I believe that we are all equal and should be treated equally. That includes not keeping a deserving person from obtaining success and not handing out success to an underserving person.
"An embarrassment to yourself is an embarrassment to you all. "
Sir, other than the blog itself. You have posted more than anyone on here.
Pull up your pants. Your ass is showing.
Please don't purport to understand the symptons or effects of racism, when YOU and your ilk are the CAUSE.
You don't get it. And it doesn't matter. The brown people from the Southern Hemisphere are multiplying at a rate you can't compete with.
Your days are numbered.
Wallow in your lies and self loathing.
In the end. You will be gone.
"I believe that we are all equal and should be treated equally. "
Sir, then, if so...and you are not a Negro. Why do you so vehemently protest when a Negro says he feels that he is being treated differently in this country? You do realize that the Negro has 400 years of history to support his claim? And all YOU have is your PERSONAL definition of things.
Hmmm...sounds like an equal assessment of things to us.
In all fairness to Harris, he is a fine young player that belongs on that team as a fill in outfielder, I hope that fact isnt being viewed that he must have been put on the team due to pressure. N_o_I why I disagree with most of what you have to say, I enjoy seeing the otherside of the fence any chance I can. Where are these stats to back up the fact that the Braves don't scout black players? Are there stats of players drafted every year and a break down of race? Is there a chart of African American participation in baseball at the High School over the years? I have been able to find none. How do we know for a fact that the scouts go to games to recuit only white players? It might be a case of going to check out a player and he stunk it up bad that day , that was his one shot scouts are moving on. I find this topic interesting being a Braves since 89 and growing up with, Justice,Gant, Belliard,McGriff and the crew. As a fan I just want the best team possible. As a person I want whats right for all. Keep up the good work.
You don't get it. And it doesn't matter. The brown people from the Southern Hemisphere are multiplying at a rate you can't compete with.
Your days are numbered.
I am afraid...that is going to be alot of people to take care of on my tax dollars. Lord knows those babies fathers arent going to be there to take care of them...they out buyin rims for the nissan sentra.
Again you make no mention of the issue of the posting because you know you look like an ass. And now your true racist thought comes out. The ignorance you display is far more destructive to your people than i could ever be. I pity you.
"Sir, then, if so...and you are not a Negro. Why do you so vehemently protest when a Negro says he feels that he is being treated differently in this country?"
Sir because that negro is usally je$$e jackson fabricating an issue to get paid. He lines his pockets with racism...he fuels these things because he needs racism to make money. Look at his history..you wont because you are dense and you look no further than what he tells you. i would have thought that this conspiracy theory against african american blacks in atlanta would even be too foolish for someone of your limited intellect to believe...guess i was wrong.
in your world discrimination is only wrong when done to african americans....jesse and al sharpton can destroy peoples lives without apology and that is okay...in your twisted logic that is due payback for slavery....the only thing worse than your anger is your downright stupidity.
the harris promotion is a damned if you do damned if you dont...if jesse acknowledges that harris has the TALENT to be on the big club then his argument is finished and so is the payday. So he has to take the stand that it was just a token move...
"You don't get it. And it doesn't matter. The brown people from the Southern Hemisphere are multiplying at a rate you can't compete with.
Your days are numbered.
Wallow in your lies and self loathing.
In the end. You will be gone."
One of the few things I like about China: Population control is a must!!
And you expect there to be better race relation when you make comments like above. One of the reasons we still have these problems is people of your ilk use the "you owe us" line way too much, I can be as much at fault for slavery as I can if my best friend had sex with your momma. Im real sorry my friend ruined your family, but really what more else can I do, apologize, move on , and remember to not let my friends aound married women(learning from the past. Your anger toward the white man will always be a barrier, and thats why the wall remains
"Where are these stats to back up the fact that the Braves don't scout black players? Are there stats of players drafted every year and a break down of race?"
Sir, EXACTLY! Where is it? Show us that they are scouting Negro players. Point well taken. We agree completely with what you are saying. Baseball has been a game riddled by racism, scandals and cheating. We couldn't agree with you more when you insinuate that the club should NOT be taken at their word that they are actively scouting and tracking Negro players. They should have to prove it by keeping such stats. This is the best point you have made so far.
Yeah I need to get an account so Im not anon any more I made the Harris is a god player comment and the China/sex with your momma quote. I think you took my question the wrong way. IF PUSH is going to make statements claiming the Braves scouting team racist, shouldnt they have the stats( particiapation at high school level, recent drafts etc.) to back up that claim instead of looking at a roster and saying "gee its been a while since we've had a African-American on the club, they must be getting racist on us" Am I correct on this thought. Are you saying Islam that every team in every sport should have someone keeping tabs on ratio's?? What happens if said postion is opened and not enough minorities get jobs their, then will the watchdogs for scouting racism then be racists themselves?
"Lord knows those babies fathers arent going to be there to take care of them."
Sir, we think that Urlacher, Leinart, Brady and even Chuck Liddell (who has TWO unwed babbymommas) are in a fine position to take care of both the unwed mothers AND the children they have brought into this world out of wedlock.
Don't fret for them. Your tax dollars are safe.
"Again you make no mention of the issue of the posting because you know you look like an ass. And now your true racist thought comes out"
Sir, issue of the posting was that the Braves didn't have an African-American on their roster until the 60th Anniversary celebration of Jackie. And that Rainbow/PUSH suggested it might be beneficial for all if the Braves reached out to the Negro community. I think we have beaten it to death.
Racist thought? How is illustrating that you hate Negroes, refuse to accept that the white man holding them as slaves and then denying them basic rights for 400 years has had an adverse lingering effect on the community today (both Negro and white) and that your idea that Negroes should "quit whining" and fix things themselves is not only intellectually corrupt; but racist.
The fact that WE point out that YOU are a racist creep is not an act of racism. The fact that you deny the effects of racism on the Negro community is a tool used to proliferate racism. And that is racist.
Capiche?
"the only thing worse than your anger is your downright stupidity"
Sir, we aren't angry in the least.
So, using your comparison above, we have just mitigated our stupidity.
Thank you.
"the harris promotion is a damned if you do damned if you dont"
Sir, the timing of it says a lot.
"Sir, EXACTLY! Where is it? Show us that they are scouting Negro players. Point well taken. We agree completely with what you are saying. Baseball has been a game riddled by racism, scandals and cheating. We couldn't agree with you more when you insinuate that the club should NOT be taken at their word that they are actively scouting and tracking Negro players. They should have to prove it by keeping such stats. This is the best point you have made so far."
Could you be any more dense. We live in america..your proposal of guilty until proven innocent does not apply in this country. Couldnt we use the description of "riddled by racism, scandals and cheating" in the biography of jesse jackson..yet when he makes accusations everyone should believe him. The dumb leading the blind and we have to pay.
"Your anger toward the white man will always be a barrier, and thats why the wall remains"
Sir, sure...there's that.
And the fact that you so easily say, "400 years of taking your rights and treating an entire race as sub-human. Whoops. Sorry. We institutionally denied education, economic viability, access to power, a voice...etc. Whoops. Sorry. Make up those 400 years on your own. And do it quick. The problems in your community are annoying us."
No one BLAMES YOU for slavery. No one says you owe them a thing.
But, and you and YOU ilk choose to not admit it, a large portion of the problems in the Negro community are ROOTED in the leftovers of the 400 years. Generation after generation denied everything. And now, you believe, 20 years of affirmative action has righted everything and leveled all fields?
Wow. Maybe the white man ISN'T getting a better education, after all.
"Yeah I need to get an account so Im not anon any more"
Sir, we don't know who is who at this point.
"We live in america..your proposal of guilty until proven innocent does not apply in this country."
Sir, then why was Pacman Jones suspended? He hasn't been proven guilty of anything. And, he was suspended ex post facto. Applying previous transgressions against a NEW policy fashioned to lock him out.
Barry Bonds has been convicted of nothing, yet the commissioner of baseball refuses to even acknowledge his quest to break one of the great records in sports.
So, you are saying, it's ok for pro sports administrators to go against the all American value of "innocent until proven guilty", but it isn't ok for THEM to substantiate their scouting and employment practices?
These are leagues that for decades wouldn't allow Negro participants. These are leagues that have had a history of racism, scandal and cheating. You want to take them at their word; yet you are not willing to take these Negro athletes who have been convicted of NOTHING at their word?
I smell a racist.
NOIS, you have some stamina, bro. these guys don't let up. they want no accountability. 400 years and do for yourself. it's funny, cause they are probably the same type that would sue you in a heartbeat if they tripped and fell in your driveway.
who wants to watch a bunch of porchmonkeys playing ball anyway?
stick jesse up al's ass. and then take me out to a braves' game!
damnit! I meant to say PUSH Jesse up al's ass.
Ruined my own pun.
But still. nobody wants to watch.
Sir, then why was Pacman Jones suspended? He hasn't been proven guilty of anything. And, he was suspended ex post facto. Applying previous transgressions against a NEW policy fashioned to lock him out.
Barry Bonds has been convicted of nothing, yet the commissioner of baseball refuses to even acknowledge his quest to break one of the great records in sports.
So, you are saying, it's ok for pro sports administrators to go against the all American value of "innocent until proven guilty", but it isn't ok for THEM to substantiate their scouting and employment practices?
SPIN SPIN IT..when it suits you you say two wrongs dont make a right but now you use that scenario..you talk out of both sides of your mouth and either way it is crap. You probably believe OJ was innocent too..or slavery made is justified. Johnnie Cochran got what he deserved for that...a painful cancer death.
Pacman jones had a history of breaking the law and his conduct was the final straw...plus you are talking about a different league...idiot
"Pacman jones had a history of breaking the law and his conduct was the final straw"
Sir, but he never violated the policy when he committed those acts. And, when the new policy was written, didn't commit any acts afterward.
And, he had a history of being in QUESTION of breaking the law. Not convictions.
"...plus you are talking about a different league"
Fair enough. Funny, we did mention Bonds mistreatment under the "innocent until proven guilty" theorum. And we believe he is in baseball. And you didn't address it. You address something that you complain about us mentioning.
Sir, if I had a paddle, I'd spank your mother for raising a moron.
"when it suits you you say two wrongs dont make a right but now you use that scenario"
Actually, my afflicted friend, we are suggesting that if you want to talk about "innocent until proven guilty", all THREE would be wrong.
The correct response, would probably be...that since this is private business and not the law, tennants like "innocent until proven guilty" and "ex post facto" don't apply.
But, you keep yammering about OJ, it makes you seem smarter.
Funny, OJ is found innocent in the court of law. You won't accept that. Pacman and Bonds have been convicted of nothing and they are guilty in your eyes, too.
Your racism knows no end.
"Sir, then why was Pacman Jones suspended? He hasn't been proven guilty of anything. And, he was suspended ex post facto. Applying previous transgressions against a NEW policy fashioned to lock him out."
Now there is a conspiracy against blacks in the NFL too...never ends. Pacman has been arrested 5 times. That behavior violates a clause in his contract it is not NEW policy. He signed the contract and has to have some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for his actions...or was it slavery that makes him start fights in nightclubs? He has a documented pattern of behavior. As for the braves you have provided ZERO to show a negative pattern of behavior while scouting players.
As for Barry Bonds, he is the poster boy for your so-called "cheaters" in baseball. His record is hollow because he didnt do it on his own merits (sound familiar)..he did it with drugs. There is sworn testimony from steroids dealers that they supplied him with the drugs. He is also a convicted tax cheat and cheated on his wife...CHEATER. His foot size is 2 sizes bigger than 10 years ago and his hat size is bigger as well...THAT IS HGH!!
And among those not celebrating Bonds is HANK AARON. Is Hank Aaron a racist? according to your theories he must hate blacks.
"Sir, if I had a paddle, I'd spank your mother for raising a moron."
I'd say the same to you but your mother probably had 10 kids from 5 different guys and wouldnt remember you anyway.
"Pacman has been arrested 5 times. That behavior violates a clause in his contract it is not NEW policy. He signed the contract and has to have some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for his actions"
Sir, incorrect.
A new NFL policy had to be written to suspend him. He couldn't be suspended under the old policy. Lies again!
And, he was ARRESTED. Not convicted. Has he even been CHARGED in the night club thing? LOL.
Aren't you the one that mentioned something about innocent until proven guilty.
Liar. Hypocrit. Nice life, friend.
"As for the braves you have provided ZERO to show a negative pattern of behavior while scouting players."
Umm...all we can show is the results. The proof is in the pudding so to speak.
"There is sworn testimony from steroids dealers "
Testimony from drug dealers. Excellent and reliable source there.
If there is so much info...why no CONVICTION?
Innocent until proven guilty, remember?
Hypcrit.
"And among those not celebrating Bonds is HANK AARON. Is Hank Aaron a racist?"
You are silly. He's a bitter old man in Selig's back pocket. You know this.
"I'd say the same to you but your mother probably had 10 kids from 5 different guys and wouldnt remember you anyway."
LOL. Tell me again you aren't racist. More proof!
I must say, it's getting boring kicking your butt. Time to move on?
"As for the braves you have provided ZERO to show a negative pattern of behavior while scouting players."
Umm...all we can show is the results. The proof is in the pudding so to speak.
And that proof also shows 4 players from Georgia on the team...you are a windbag.
And so that goes for Barry Bonds as well then? or are YOU the hypocrit.
The best defense you can come up with is Pacman Jones...maybe getting arrested in your community is no big deal but even you must admit that getting arrested FIVE times should throw up a red flag....and every NFL player has a morals clause in their contracts..look it up and deal in facts.
You defend Bonds and insult Aaron...yet another example of your lack of morality.
There is sworn testimony from steroids dealers "
Testimony from drug dealers. Excellent and reliable source there.
no we should believe bonds instead...he shows all the physical signs of taking steroids as you say..the proof is in the pudding...You would trust the word of a tax cheat and philanderer just because he is black....you are so misguided and disgusting. And if i was Aaron I would be bitter too..he had to put up with alot of crap just to see generations after him piss on his legacy. You would probably call jackie robinson an uncle tom if he was alive today.
"And that proof also shows 4 players from Georgia on the team...you are a windbag."
Sir..umm...but THAT isn't the question or issue. The issue is African-American players.
Yes, I may be a windbag. But you can't even remember the topic. You keep bitching about it. And complaining about it. And then when we discuss it, you go off it.
You're playing, right? You aren't this dumb. Or....?
"and every NFL player has a morals clause in their contracts..look it up and deal in facts"
i. did you look it up?
ii. does it give the teams the ability to suspend a player for the entire season? Ummmm....dipshit...WHY DO YOU THINK THE COMMISH HAD TO WRITE A NEW POLICY??? Because the old policy and morals clauses didn't give the ability to do what he is doing. Look it up! Or don't, because it is clear, despite your constant asking us to look things up..you've looked up NOTHING.
"maybe getting arrested in your community is no big deal but even you must admit that getting arrested FIVE times should throw up a red flag
A person being arrested on numerous occassions yet NEVER being convicted and rarely being charged does tell us something.
SOMEONE is doing their damnedest to lock him up. I'm sure if the cops followed YOU everywhere YOU went, you'd get pulled over a few time, too.
"yet another example of your lack of morality."
Sir, when Bonds is convicted of something, we'll happily denounce him. We don't judge until all the facts are on the table. Unlike YOU.
"no we should believe bonds instead"
We'll happily believe the man that hasn't been convicted over the convicts and the plea bargainers.
If some junkie told the media that he sold crack to Tom Brady, guaranteed you NEVER in a million years would give that junkie the time of day, let alone believe him.
But some drug dealers want to hem up old Barry, and you are all over it. Racist.
"he shows all the physical signs of taking steroids as you say.."
Have you used steroids? The symptons and side effects can be different in different people.
He also shows the symptoms of a guy that never touched weights early in his career and a guy who started lifting.
When I played football in college I went from 215 as a freshment to 245 as a senior. Guess it wasn't the advanced nutrition and training that I didn't do previously. Must have been steroids.
Now you are an expert on pharmocology. LOL. Let's see an expert on:
-the law
-contracts
-MLB scouting
-Georgia HS baseball
-US history
-Racism
-African-American issues
-How to solve said issues
-pharmacology
What did I miss?
"You would probably call jackie robinson an uncle tom if he was alive today."
Why do you say that?
And YOU would probably call him........a nigger.
Racist.
"The best defense you can come up with is Pacman Jones"
Sir, think about it....
Suppose you were working your job down at the carpet mill.
Your boss, Cooter, comes in and says, "Boy Howdy, Bubba, we just heard tell that you done been accused of running moonshine agin."
You say, "Garsh, Cooter, then keep saying that. But I ain't even been called before the magistrate. Ain't been convicted of a doggone thing. They just keep catching me standing in the woods near the still."
"Well, Bubba, this here time is just one time too many. We done decided to go on ahead and suspend your work here at the mill for the next year."
"But, Cooter, I ain't been convicted of NOTHING. That ain't fair."
"Well, Bubba, the director of the mill, Jim Bob, he done heard you been accused agin so he writ up this here new policy. And even a tho you ain't been convicted of nothing and ain't been accused of a nothing since he writ it, we feel like it is all fair and just to on ahead and wash you out for a year."
"Well, that don't seem fair, Cooter. But, can I still come to the Klan meetings?"
So, sir, we ask you: would YOU think this is fair?
" But, can I still come to the Klan meetings?"
bwhaaaa! nicely done. Cooter, Jim Bob and Bubba. great names for those rubes "debating" you on this thread!!!
Yeah, Bubba, you can still go to the Klan meeting. just make sure you "warsh" yer sheets!
hahahahah
Have you used steroids? The symptons and side effects can be different in different people.
He also shows the symptoms of a guy that never touched weights early in his career and a guy who started lifting.
I didnt know your head size and feet size grows by lifting weights..wow you really are a genius figuring out old Barry's exercise regimen. If the cap doesnt fit..you cannot acquit. And in all those smiling pictures barry took with Victor Conte and greg anderson at balco...was there a white devil standing off to the side making him hang out with those guys?
"And that proof also shows 4 players from Georgia on the team...you are a windbag."
Sir..umm...but THAT isn't the question or issue. The issue is African-American players.
So again it is your contention that the braves are scouting locally, seeing great negro talent and just refusing to give them contracts. I am learning alot i didnt know that high schools in georgia were still segregated and that the braves would have to go to all black schools to find the talent...you are so wise. Why dont you just say what you mean...you feel that the braves should have black players on the team regardless of whether they are the best qualified for the job...this is totally in line with all your social theories...the only way to make things fair is to make them unfair.....brilliant.
You use pacman jones and barry bonds to defend your stance against the braves..you are a fool. How come you make no mention of old Barry being a convicted tax cheat? I think BALCO should get the 756th HR ball...they really broke the record...not barry. I understand you have to defend these lowlifes and cheaters because they are black...but couldnt you find any better examples from your community.
"You would probably call jackie robinson an uncle tom if he was alive today."
because he like the great hank aaron would probably have turned his back on that cheater bonds.
And the only explanation i can find for your weight gain in college is there must have been a 24 hour kentucky fried chicken near your school.
" How come you make no mention of old Barry being a convicted tax cheat?"
Sir, one last point.
What does this have to do with him taking steroids?
His accountant making some errors means he undisputably used steroids?
Quite a leap in logic. But certainly expected.
"So again it is your contention that the braves are scouting locally, seeing great negro talent and just refusing to give them contracts."
Sir, I think we have reached the point at which, neither one of our opinions is relative the original matter at hand: The Braves not doing enough to ensure Negro players are on the roster.
You have your opinion and we have ours.
The only opinion in all this that matters at this point, is the Braves'.
Please see our post indicating the Braves' plans for operational changes under their new ownership.
Clearly, the Braves' bringing in Hank Aaron to address, as his main area of work, the problem of a lack of Negroes on the Braves (specifically) and a lack of them in baseball (in general) is the end of our debate.
The Braves' have, by their actions, acknowledged and addressed the problem.
All in all, while we'd like to be the ones able to take credit for rebutting your contention on the main issues of the post; the Braves' themselves defeated your argument.
Good day, sir.
" How come you make no mention of old Barry being a convicted tax cheat?"
Sir, one last point.
What does this have to do with him taking steroids?
His accountant making some errors means he undisputably used steroids?
He pocketed 10's of thousands of dollars at autograph shows in cash...but of course you blame someone else..musta been his accountant. This shows that the man is a cheat and would do immoral things to benefit himself. Such as the tax stuff and paying for women on the side while he was still married. The same reason YOU would not trust the word of a drug dealer, I would not trust the word of a cheat either. That is why it is relevent...cheaters cheat.
Clearly, the Braves' bringing in Hank Aaron to address, as his main area of work, the problem of a lack of Negroes on the Braves (specifically) and a lack of them in baseball (in general) is the end of our debate.
Hank aaron who as you described him " a bitter old man in bud seligs pocket"....you change your tune more times than a juke box.
good day to you.
"The same reason YOU would not trust the word of a drug dealer, I would not trust the word of a cheat either. That is why it is relevent...cheaters cheat."
Sir, so you admit the government steroid case against him is flawed.
Thank you.
"you change your tune more times than a juke box."
Sir, our post on the subject addressed our miscontrued perception of Aaron's action.
We don't change our tune. We admit when we are WRONG. It's called being reasonable.
Now, in that light. Since the Braves have now completely substantiated Rainbow/PUSHES (and, by connection OUR) observances about the African-American situation in their organization; it would appropriate that you be reasonable.
The Braves themselves crushed your debate.
Admitting you are wrong on this is not changing your tune. It is looking at the Braves' actions, and being reasonable.
Of course, we'd be remiss if we didn't claim victory in this debate.
At this point, the Braves' action makes that a non-contention.
Hip Hip Hooray for the good guys!
The braves just want things to go away..now it will...nothing will change with their system because they are doing it the right way.
" up and down the ladder you threaten and it becomes cheaper and quicker to just appease.
"The braves just want things to go away..now it will...nothing will change with their system because they are doing it the right way."
Sir, one thing will change.
More dark faces on the roster.
Rest assured.
Enjoy!
:)
So what happens if there is no considerable increase in African American's on Braves/MLB rosters? Who's fault will it then be?
"So what happens if there is no considerable increase in African American's"
LOL.
Good one!
"So what happens if there is no considerable increase in African American's"
LOL.
Good one!
That was a funny one...i just feel bad for the first more talented white or latino player that gets stepped over to give inferior talent the chance just because they are negro.
"That was a funny one...i just feel bad for the first more talented white or latino player that gets stepped over to give inferior talent the chance just because they are negro."
Sir, odd. It hasn't bothered you that it has happened to Negroes in almost every arena possible over the last 400 years.
But, the moment YT is threatened, you choke up and want to cry.
Here's a tissue.
Hank Aaron is gonna make sure your tears flow.
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http://www.ticketwood.com/mlb/Atlanta-Braves-Tickets/index.php . Well I hope this will be helpful for you guys. Go Go Braves. Keep me updated Great blog!!!
" Keep me updated Great blog!!! "
Sir, we will certainly keep you updated.
And thanks so much for your informative comment.
Maybe we can work together to stop these evil brokers.
here's a few key words that i think should be tied to this series of all-too-serious postings:
INSTITUTIONAL: as in, racism
de facto: as in, segregation
MERIT: as in, false notions of
PANDERING: as in, to a white middle-class fan base
these words may be the watermark of the paper on which is printed the roster of the Atlanta Braves
"these words may be the watermark of the paper on which is printed the roster of the Atlanta Braves"
Sir, actually we've been to Braves games. The roster is found in the game program.
And the program is printed on nice glossy paper.
When I first found this blog, I thought it was a humorous farce. After reading all these comments, I now realize you actually believe all the things you are writing. There are quite a few false assumtions and statements in your premise (too numerous to mention all). One I can personally attest to is the statement made by Rainbow/PUSH and repeated by your blog is the contention that interest from Negroes in sports has not dropped off in recent years. As an officer of Little League baseball and softball, I can tell you that's absolutely not true. Our numbers of involved Negro families has been dropping steadily for years. This information has been published by us and Pony League Baseball. It's one of the reason the Braves started their Baseball camp. You can read about this outreach program on the Atlanta Braves website.
Another false statement in your original post states that the Braves brought up a Negro outfielder just in time for Jackie Robinson's 60th anniversary. That celebration took place on Sunday,April 15. On that day, Andruw Jones wore Jackie Robinson's number on his jersey. Two week later, Willie Harris was brought up from Richmond to replace Ryan Langerhans in left field. Langerhans was traded to the Oakland A's for a player to be named later. Harris is from Cairo, Ga. as was Jackie Robinson but was not drafted by the Braves because he decided to go to Kennesaw State University.
In the body of your post, you state that the Atlanta Braves had no Negroes on their roster as of April 15. Then in the comments section you state that Andruw Jones is a Negro: "Yes, they have 'them'down there." Which is it?
YAWN,
You are a day late and a dollar short.
This topic has been beaten to death.
And, unfortunately, you missed the boat on the post as well.
Oh well.
Not everyone can "get" it.
There is no time limit on truth or racism. As your task is to enlighten folks, please update your blog on this matter that was so important to you a week ago. The Braves filled an open roster spot this week with an Hispanic player. This is the season of All-Star tournaments, College World Series, And Cape Cod Baseball. Please report on the outstanding Negro players the Braves should be recruiting. Or maybe you will just choose to insult those who engage you in discussion.
"Or maybe you will just choose to insult those who engage you in discussion."
Sir, how bout this.
i. if you read our posts and can't understand them. go elsewhere.
ii. if you read our posts, think you understand them, and make a comment. and we tell you you are wrong. and you still don't get it...START YOUR OWN BLOG.
Take care.
"The Braves filled an open roster spot this week with an Hispanic player"
Sir, and this addresses a perceived lack of African-Americans on the roster, how?
Exactly.
You are dismissed
Please either start your own blog or read someone else's.
You don't understand this one, and we just aren't of the state of mind to address it and bring you up to speed.
Take care.
You've made it clear that you aren't willing to find a solution to the original grievance in your post. You've also made it clear that facts and truth are secondary to your wish to insult. This is not enlightenment, so I see that you are not honest about your wish to enlighten.
Repeating stories from the AJC sports page does not a blog make...
"The name of the team is the Atlanta Braves. Atlanta. By using the city's name, the team assumes the responsibility of ensuring that, before they go off to the Caribbean or Latin America looking for talent, they scour Atlanta high and low for the talent to fill out their roster. We've established that Atlanta has a large Negro population. And we've established that, and it is proven by Rainbow/PUSH's statement, there is NO diminished enthusiasm for baseball within that Negro community. It only makes sense that, if the Braves would follow this suggested manner of acquiring talent, the result would be a swelling of Negroes on the roster."
This is your perception-you tell me how you arrived at this conclusion.
"This is your perception-you tell me how you arrived at this conclusion"
Sir, if you read the post and understood it...you tell us how we arrived at the conclusion.
PS.
You mentioned that we didn't include Andruw Jones in our post..ie, that we said there are no Negroes on the roster. Yet, we include him as a Negro in the comments section.
Read the last line of the post.
Can you understand NOW why we say you don't get it an should not trouble yourself here?
Thanks.
"You've made it clear that you aren't willing to find a solution to the original grievance in your post"
Sir, and you've made it even clearer that you have no idea what our grievance even is...
You've been owned. You can't support your arguments or rebut mine. They didn't teach you much in that high school debate class.
I'm sure you'll add another remark because your weakness is an obsession with having to have the last word. This weakness has lead you to reply to my comments on a subject you said was over long ago. You've been owned.
"You've been owned. You can't support your arguments or rebut mine. They didn't teach you much in that high school debate class. "
Sir, you came to our blog and were provoked to comment in the first place.
You can't own us when we already own you.
Thanks for playing.
;)
"You can't support your arguments or rebut mine"
LOL.
this is too funny. the very fact this guy THINKS there is something to argue about here is testament to his being pistol whipped!
LOL.
hahaha. this might be the all time dumbest commentor that has left a shit stain on your blog, nois.
I'm a Braves fan and i'm positive that it's not the intention of the Braves to skip out on players because they are "negro". That's a ludicrous assumption. Whoever said a player has to be white or black as well? What about latinos?
Some current Braves players of interest. Oh yeah, just because a person looks white doesn't necessarily mean they don't have some latino blood in em.
Chad Paronto, Matt Diaz, Willie Harris, Andruw Jones, Mike Gonzalez, Brayan Pena, Jared Saltalamachia, Edgar Renteria, Yunel Escobar, Rafael Soriano...among a few others. That's at least 10...count em...10 people that are NOT white.
Why is this being made an issue? There is no issue that needs to be fixed here.
"Why is this being made an issue? There is no issue that needs to be fixed here. "
Sir, spoken like a truly "color" blind person.
BTW, thanks for the list detailing the ethnic backgrounds of all those players.
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