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Wednesday, December 12, 2007

Bobby Petrino: DeAngelo Hall and Alge Crumpler were right

Bobby Petrino.

The equivalent of the promiscuous girl of the coaching world. Always ready to listen to an offer. Often willing to put out. Quick to leave the groom standing at the altar.

Or in this case, cheat on the honey moon.

Petrino's stay in the ATL has been tainted almost from the start. He was unable to give tremendous, but wayward, QB Michael Vick the type of guidance a young man under considerable pressure could expect from a seasoned head coach/mentor. And quickly things fell apart.

Clearly, Vick didn't receive good advice from the organization and ended up responding to the early accusations with a dubious denial. Obviously, a caring and nurturing infrastructure would have given him the proper counsel necessary to take responsibility from the get go. Only after things spun out of control and Vick was able to separate himself from the organization did he come clean and accept responsibility.

So, the reality is that much of the distress caused by the Vick situation was a product of Petrino's botched leadership.

Certainly, Vick's team mates recognized this, and it compromised Petrino's ability to effectively be the man in charge of the team.

Early in the season, DeAngelo Hall and Alge Crumpler received some negative press for openly wondering about Petrino's ability to lead an NFL team. For challenging Petrino's demands that the team buy into his system, but not providing any real leadership for the team.

The media seemed to enjoy painting Hall and Crumpler as out of line or disgruntled primadonas.

Well, vindication is sweet. And Hall and Crumpler were correct all along. Petrino gave up long ago and went through 3/4 of a season as a charade. Certainly he wasn't wooed by Arkansas between the Monday night game and the Tuesday announcement.

And, just as certainly, Hall and Crumpler's instinctual questioning of the validity and sincerity of Petrino and his 'system' was spot on the money. Petrino's 'system' was an empty shell that couldn't fool real NFL players. His leadership was a corrupt and cowardly masquerade.

And Hall and Crumpler should be commended for having the awareness, commitment and esprit de corps to put the teams needs ahead of their own and question the rotten smell emanating from the coach's office.

In this day and age of selfish players with agendas, it is refreshing to be able to look back on this and unequivocally state the players were one hundred percent correct and that the media owes them an apology.

Certainly this isn't the first time that a group of Negroes sensed and spoke out about the white man in the corner office using them for his personal gain. It just happens to be one of the times the media can't hide it.

81 comments:

WindRider95 said...

Lucky for Mike Vick-tim they have plenty of fried chicken in prison.

And fries.

Lots of fries.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"Mike Vick-tim"

Sir, Mr. Vick was certainly no victim. He was culpable for putting himself in a position in which the government could formulate a case against him.

gcw said...

Wow. Simply one of the best posts written on the whole sordid affair concerning Bobby "It's Lonely at the Top" Petrino. I honestly wonder how the guy even manages to look at himself in the mirror when he shaves.

Dave the Wave said...

"Wow. Simply one of the best posts written on the whole sordid affair "

are for real?

where do you people come from that actually buy into this NOIS mess?

the world is ending.

milesdavis said...

NOIS,

Sir, Was Mr. Vick not also culpable of abusing his animals for sport, and viciously so?

Gern said...

Altar, not alter. I want to know why no one is calling out the University of Arkansas? If you were the president, or on the board of regents for that school is this the way you want your Athletic Director recruiting coaches? They didn't receive permission to even talk to the man but it didn't come close to stopping them. More white guys in shady backroom dealings to screw the brothers I'm sure. Actually, I think the brothers on the Falcons are better off without that clown, but Arthur Blank sure looks stupid. Again.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"Altar, not alter."

Sir, noted.

"I want to know why no one is calling out the University of Arkansas? "

Sir, much as when a wife chooses to cheat on her husband, the offending spouse is generally the one that is most visably wrong. She is the one that made the committment.

The man she cheated with is certainly wrong...but we assume he is a dog to begin with.

Malcom Hex said...

"but we assume he is a dog to begin with"


or in this case, a pig.

Truth said...

" He was unable to give tremendous, but wayward, QB Michael Vick the type of guidance a young man under considerable pressure could expect from a seasoned head coach/mentor. And quickly things fell apart.

Clearly, Vick didn't receive good advice from the organization"

I can't tell whether this is satire or not. For your sake I hope it is.

In case it isn't let me spell it out MIKE-VICK-IS-A-GROWN-ASSED-TWENTY-SEVEN-YEAR-OLD-MAN-WITH-KIDS!

He doesn't NEED a mentor, he IS a god-danmed mentor. The 'guidance' he needed was a one-year non-guaranteed contract with a stipulation that if he f-ed up Arthur Blank gets the right to put a foot up his ass.

lgf said...

Truth, when will you stop embarrassing yourself? It's almost as though you enjoy it.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"In case it isn't let me spell it out MIKE-VICK-IS-A-GROWN-ASSED-TWENTY-SEVEN-YEAR-OLD-MAN-WITH-KIDS!"

Sir, he left college early, was given incredible bank...and the hopes and dreams of the capitol of Negro America (ATL) were placed on his shoulders.

No mentoring necessary?

Surely you are the one being sarcastic.

fred said...

Very interesting reading!

As a (white) English reader who likes to call his sisters and brothers what they prefer to be called, I note the use of the word "negro" on these pages.

I was under the impression that "black" was, nowadays, the only acceptable term.

Help!

husky930 said...

Bobby Petrino is a joke, and deserves to be treated like one. But to put any blame on him whatsoever for what has happened to Mike Vick is ridiculous.
I have no sympathy at all for a grown man that doesn't know enough that it isn't okay to abuse and kill innocent dogs. Not only that, he "helped"(lets be real, he probably was the sole investor) finance the entire operation.
Maybe he could've used better guidance in admitting guilt at an earlier stage, but I honestly don't give a crap. He deserves everything coming to him for what he did.
I am in no way one of those crazy animal lovers, but its common sense that it is cruel and unjust to do what Vick did.
P.S-Don't start off your response to my message with "sir" and pretend like you respect me, because you are clearly a racist motherfucker who thinks anybody who isn't black is a conspirator against every negro in the country. I'll do you a favor and tell you that I'm dominican, this way you can make a litte note to yourself that you hate me for not being black.

RighteousReasoner said...

Marvin Benard, Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield, Mark Cameron, Rondell White, David Justice, Glenallen Hill, Mo Vaughn, Stephen Randolph, Jerry Hairston Jr., Nook Logan, Gary Matthews Jr and David Bell are being set up by the white devil George Mitchell. By including these Negroes in the report, Mitchell has shamelessly ignored countless other white players whom he could have called out instead and placed the weight of his alleged "findings" on the shoulders of the Original Man. The only way to avenge this gross misbehavior is to declare Negro pariah Barry Bonds commissioner of the league. Only then will justice truly be served.

Truth said...

"No mentoring necessary?

Surely you are the one being sarcastic."

Me? Sarcastic?, never!

But think about it a second, the man made him extremely wealthy, gave him the grandest stage in Atlanta on which to perform and backed him up through all of the original silly transgressions Vick managed to get himself into before the big one. What did you want him to do, get his wife to breastfeed him?

"Sir, he left college early"

Who's decision was that Dan Reeves?

"and the hopes and dreams of the capitol of Negro America (ATL) were placed on his shoulders."

Who's hopes and dreams? Most of the Bruvas I know in Atlanta are 'hoping and dreaming that they can buy a new car, take a vacation and pay their mortgage! Now don’t get me wrong, I love sports, but If you're over the age of 19 and your 'hopes and dreams' have anything to do with some dork throwing a football you have aserious personality deficiency.

My dreams generally involve the cast of 'Girlfriends' (with Jill Marie Jones, never without) but hey call me weird.

Like Uncle Ben said to Peter Parker "with great power comes great responsibility.

Sho-nuff.

"Truth, when will you stop embarrassing yourself?"

My good man, have you looked at the picture of your avatar recently?

Don't flame me boooyyyyaaahh, I'm like a Natural Gas Vein!

Lil John's Pimp Cup said...

husky930

> I'll do you a favor and tell you that I'm dominican, this way you can make a litte note to yourself that you hate me for not being black.

I am sorry to be the bearer of tragic news to you, but most dominicans are black.

lgf said...

"Don't start off your response to my message with "sir" and pretend like you respect me, because you are clearly a racist motherfucker who thinks anybody who isn't black is a conspirator against every negro in the country."

Very well, asshole. In no way does addressing you as "Sir" serve as a pretense for respect. No one here respects you or your lackluster attempts at bravado, amigo.

P.S-What did you google to find this site anyway, asshole?:

/Petrino...give tremendous...head/coach...

Oh, thats how. Another fag.

Lil John's Pimp Cup said...

> Don't flame me boooyyyyaaahh, I'm like a Natural Gas Vein!

Yep... full of hot air...

Dirty Sanchez said...

Gary Sheffield disputes your notion that Dominicans are black.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"I was under the impression that "black" was, nowadays, the only acceptable term."

Sir, read up on the subject.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"I'll do you a favor and tell you that I'm dominican, this way you can make a litte note to yourself that you hate me for not being black."

Sir, your bias is overwhelming.

We don't hate you for being Dominican.

You are dumb.

That's why we hate you.

censored said...

Marvin Benard, Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield, Mark Cameron, Rondell White, David Justice, Glenallen Hill, Mo Vaughn, Stephen Randolph, Jerry Hairston Jr., Nook Logan, Gary Matthews Jr and David Bell are being set up by the white devil George Mitchell.

Quick somebody tell David Bell that he is a negro...apparently he has been wearing the costume of a
5'10" white guy for the past 35 years.
Hey reasoner, would you say you are stupid, uninformed or both?

RighteousReasoner said...

Knew I couldn't slip one by you censored.

Give yourself a pat on the back, you futile creation of Yakub

husky930 said...

"'I'll do you a favor and tell you that I'm dominican, this way you can make a litte note to yourself that you hate me for not being black.'"

Sir, your bias is overwhelming.

We don't hate you for being Dominican.

You are dumb.

That's why we hate you."

I love it, instead of responding to the actual point in my post you just respond by calling me dumb.
I'm just curious to see what bullshit excuse you come, where do you disagree with me about the whole Vick issue?
Oh yeah check out this article on ESPN about the top quarterbacks in the NFL, you'll really like it
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=3147842.
That's in direct response to the statement you made in one of your Tebow articles, something along the lines of the "desperate attempt for whites to win back the quarterback position." Well, seems to me they're doing pretty well considering they have the top 8 ranked quarterbacks.
I'm not saying that the article is perfect, but I honestly think it's pretty accurate. Two years ago I'd put Mcnabb higher, but not with all the injuries now.
To wrap this all up, maybe I shouldn't have called you a racist bastard or whatever, but you do tend to defend some people(namely Vick) that certainly don't deserve to be defended, and I assume it's because they are black.
Oh, and to the guy that said "most dominicans are black", that is completely irrelevant to me, because I happen to be one of those "rare" dominicans that isn't black, you fucking idiot.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"I love it, instead of responding to the actual point in my post you just respond by calling me dumb."

Sir, in actuality, we did both.

You must have missed it.

Which brings us back to the latter point....

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"and I assume it's because they are black."

Sir, you make such and assumption and call us racists?

Interesting...

Dave the Wave said...

who can blame Petrino for running as fast as he can out of the 'capitol of Negro America'...he's lucky he got out with his wallet.

ZEKE said...

the worst thing out of all this has been the constant interviews of Hall running his big lipped mouth...what a douche.

Shut up and defend a pass.

husky930 said...

"and I assume it's because they are black."

Sir, you make such and assumption and call us racists?

Interesting..."

I seriously can't think of one other reason you'd defend a man like Vick, his actions were inexcusable and he deserves no sympathy when you consider the sick and twisted things he did to a bunch of defenseless dogs.

lgf said...

"I seriously can't think of one other reason you'd defend a man like Vick, his actions were inexcusable and he deserves no sympathy when you consider the sick and twisted things he did to a bunch of defenseless dogs."

Sir, your vagina is showing, and the racists Hank Aaron and George Foreman disagree with you.

Gern said...

I don't think Husky930 gets it yet.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"a bunch of defenseless dogs"

Sir, defenseless?

Those were killer fighting dogs that Vick ensured will not be a threat to others....you owe the man a thank you.

husky930 said...

"Sir, your vagina is showing, and the racists Hank Aaron and George Foreman disagree with you."
Good one you fucking douchebag, at least I'm not insecure about my sexuality and feel the need to post a picture of some ugly big tits magee. I'm not going to respond to the other part of your post because it makes no sense.

"Sir, defenseless?"
Yes, defenseless, dogs aren't born to fight or born as vicious killers you idiot, but if they're trained that way they're going to be become that way.

"Those were killer fighting dogs that Vick ensured will not be a threat to others....you owe the man a thank you."
Yeah, I should thank the guy for running an illegal operation that trained dogs to become vicious killers, than killed them brutally.

To clear one thing up again, I am not some crazed dog lover. But anybody with common sense knows what he did was wrong. I'm not saying he can't redeem himself, but the 23 months he was sentenced to is very fair. I hope he can make it back to the NFL because it was fun watching him play, and maybe my Giants will get him because Eli blows huge dick.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"Yes, defenseless, dogs aren't born to fight or born as vicious killers you idiot, but if they're trained that way they're going to be become that way. "

Sir, the 'training' is simply tapping into the natural canine instinct.

Let's put the blame where it belongs.

Nature.

And the dogs.

husky930 said...

"Sir, the 'training' is simply tapping into the natural canine instinct.

Let's put the blame where it belongs.

Nature.

And the dogs."

So let me get this straight, you think its okay to run and finance an operation that involves gambling, fighting, and the murder of dogs?
Again, like I said before, even if its "tapping into their natural instinct", they still are only these vicious fighters because they were influenced to do so.
By saying this you are basically stating that you think it is okay to manipulate and brutally kill animals for simple entertainment.
Don't even bother comparing this to hunting, because hunting does not involve drowning, electrocuting, or slamming animals into the ground as a way of killing.

lgf said...

"at least I'm not insecure about my sexuality"

gay or bestial?

husky930 said...

"at least I'm not insecure about my sexuality"

gay or bestial?"
gay actually, have a problem?

Truth said...

"Don't even bother comparing this to hunting, because hunting does not involve drowning, electrocuting, or slamming animals into the ground as a way of killing."

No, their generally rendered lame from a shot from a quarter of a mile away with a high-powered rifle, at which time the hunters take a leisurely stroll to inspect their agonized, dying prey and finally finish it up close with their shooting pistol for the sole purpose of cutting it's head off for display above the fireplace in the den where the young ones gather to play Parchessi.

You're right, no comparison at all.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"murder of dogs"

Sir, the dogs were murderers.

Is sentencing them to capitol punishment murder?

censored said...

Knew I couldn't slip one by you censored.

Give yourself a pat on the back, you futile creation of Yakub


well reasoner, maybe if you spent more time looking at facts instead of reciting the fairy tales of the terrorist Islamic religion you wouldnt come off as such a complete jackass.

censored said...

hey LGF i think that girl in your pict has a shlong under her skirt...sad thing is you couldnt even get one of those butter faces.

censored said...

"Sir, the 'training' is simply tapping into the natural canine instinct.

Let's put the blame where it belongs.

Nature.

And the dogs."


NOIS you bring up excellent points once again..couldnt agree more...As easy as it is to blame outside forces for the ills of the world, it really just comes down to nature...for example Vick just wasnt born with the ability to judge right from wrong and nothing could have altered that.

husky930 said...

murder of dogs"

Sir, the dogs were murderers.

Is sentencing them to capitol punishment murder?"

This is getting ridiculous, you keep avoiding the main issue here that I have been saying over and over again. Vick made these dogs the way they were, whether or not he was "tapping into their natural instincts" or he simply trained them like he said. I've said it several times before and I'll say it again, these dogs aren't born fighters or vicious murderers. Dogs personalities and behavior patterns are solely dependent on their owners and the people that train/"tap into their natural instinct".
The fact that you call it "capitol" punishment is an absolute joke, were these dogs tried in court, were they convicted of a crime? Lets say they were(haha, funny picture of a dog in court), does Vick have the authority to perform capital punishment on these dogs?

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"for example Vick just wasnt born with the ability to judge right from wrong and nothing could have altered that."

Sir, or we could go with the training part of my proposition.

Vick was trained by the old white men making millions of dollars off him that right and wrong don't matter and they would put up with any thing (until the a govt prosecutor got involved) to make a buck.

Vick was trained from the moment he was ID'd as a superior athlete that he could get away without weighing right and wrong in his actions.

So, if we indict Vick for training dogs to be killers....Let's indict the old white men that run sports in this country for training Vick to put his self interest above right and wrong.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

" I've said it several times before and I'll say it again, these dogs aren't born fighters or vicious murderers. "

Sir, so they are products of the environment in which they are raised and bred? They are at the mercy of those that over see them and hold power over them?

Hmmmm....

Dave the Wave said...

"does Vick have the authority to perform capital punishment on these dogs?"

you didn't just type that, did you?

oh lord, another feeble mind gets dragged into NOIS....

yup, you are definately dominican. at least tell me english is your second language so we can blame this on a language barrier.

lgf said...

"sad thing is you couldnt even get one of those butter faces."

Agreed. Thats why I got with both. Zing!

"yup, you are definately dominican. at least tell me english is your second language so we can blame this on a language barrier."

Nope. His brain is the barrier.

"This is getting ridiculous"

Sounds funny coming from you.

Truth said...

OK, now I'm scared.

husky930 said...

"does Vick have the authority to perform capital punishment on these dogs?"

you didn't just type that, did you?

oh lord, another feeble mind gets dragged into NOIS....

yup, you are definately dominican. at least tell me english is your second language so we can blame this on a language barrier."

Actually I don't even speak spanish fluently you fucking douchebag. You're right, that one sentence was "definately" worded awkwardly, but look through the rest of my posts and you probably won't find many more mistakes. It's pretty funny though that you made fun of my english considering you can't spell a simple word such as "definitely"

husky930 said...

"" I've said it several times before and I'll say it again, these dogs aren't born fighters or vicious murderers. "

Sir, so they are products of the environment in which they are raised and bred? They are at the mercy of those that over see them and hold power over them?

Hmmmm...."

You are absoultely right, dogs are all at the mercy of their owners.... which is why the government enforces laws that prohibits people from murdering dogs, making them fight, torturing them, etc. Let me guess what you're going to say, these laws are a conspiracy to put all negros in jail right?

mbros612 said...

But think about it a second, the man made him extremely wealthy, gave him the grandest stage in Atlanta on which to perform and backed him up through all of the original silly transgressions Vick managed to get himself into before the big one. What did you want him to do, get his wife to breastfeed him?

"Sir, he left college early"

Who's decision was that Dan Reeves?



--Truth is right. Does anyone actually believe that Vick (before his boys turned on him) initially denied everything BECAUSE THE ORGANIZATION TOLD HIM TO???

Hello!! He was trying to lie his way out of his own mess. With his bigtime lawyers it may have worked has his buddies not sold him out.

Vick's misguided dogfighting/killing enterprise has nothing to do with the Falcon's organization whatsoever. They gave him PLENTY of money so that he wouldn't have to ever be a part of such stupid things. Vick had everything, and he made his own choice to risk it all. That is on him and him alone, he's a grown man now.

The Falcon's organization backed him through all the drug issues and what-not that came up here and there. They were always in his corner. Vick was their guy.

What more proof do you need than the dealing of Matt Schaub, who at the time was one of the best backups in the league?? The Falcons got rid of him and in turn kept Vick as the face of their franchise.

Ended up being a huge mistake, of course, as the team would be much better off with Schaub under center.

Nathan said...

Virginia Tech, The Atlanta Falcons, his high school, his old neighborhood, his friends, his family, his teammates... the list of people who failed Michael Vick is indeed a long one. It is a shame we can't put all of them in prison for failing to make Mr. Vick into a worhtwhile human being. After all, it takes a Village.

And in this case, it was clearly the village that failed.

Unfortunately, the laws in this country are designed to only punish the actor of the crime, and not all those people who helped make the criminal.

It really is a shame.

And don't get me started on those assholes who had Vick using drugs and those evil dogs that practically begged for death.

It's a cruel world to be sure.

Dave the Wave said...

"Actually I don't even speak spanish fluently you fucking douchebag."

oh, so you are a retarded dominican.


the picture is getting clearer.

Dave the Wave said...

" It's pretty funny though that you made fun of my english "

i was making fun of your english.

i was belittling your ethnicity.

jesus. you ARE a dense one.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

" Let me guess what you're going to say, these laws are a conspiracy to put all negros in jail right?"

Sir, nope.

You turned left.

We kept going straight.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"The Falcon's organization backed him through all the drug issues and what-not that came up here and there. They were always in his corner. Vick was their guy."

Sir, yes he was.

No matter what he did.

He was there guy.

Our point exactly.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"Unfortunately, the laws in this country are designed to only punish the actor of the crime, and not all those people who helped make the criminal. "

Sir, agreed.

These 'laws' certainly have the white man's finger prints all over them, don't they?

husky930 said...

"Actually I don't even speak spanish fluently you fucking douchebag."

oh, so you are a retarded dominican.


the picture is getting clearer."

When you consider I was born and raised in Westchester, New York (in a predominantly white town) it actually makes sense that I only speak english you fucking jackass.
"" It's pretty funny though that you made fun of my english "

i was making fun of your english.

i was belittling your ethnicity.

jesus. you ARE a dense one."
I'm just going to assume you meant to say you werent making fun of my english, at least that way the post is somewhat logical. So you're basically openly admitting you're a racist, thats cool.

lgf said...

"The Falcons got rid of him and in turn kept Vick as the face of their franchise.

Ended up being a huge mistake, of course, as the team would be much better off with Schaub under center."

True. In this business the primary concern is to field a team rooted in ethics. Mike Vick was nothing but a cash cow. A good-for-nothing whos only claim in the business was funneling cash into the organization and the companies which garnered his endorsement. Schaub on the other hand is much better franchise piece, as is evident in the meteoric rise of the Texans.

husky930 said...

"" Let me guess what you're going to say, these laws are a conspiracy to put all negros in jail right?"

Sir, nope.

You turned left.

We kept going straight."

My reasoning behind saying that was in one of your earlier posts you said "the government can formulate a case against him". That definitely makes it sound as if his sentencing is some sort of conspiracy, even though its pretty clear cut. He broke the law and went to jail for it, nothing too complex.
Go ahead and call me a racist because I feel Vick should be in jail, I really don't care at this point. You're never going to convince me that you're right just as I wont convince you that I'm right.

lgf said...

"Go ahead and call me a racist because I feel Vick should be in jail"

Ok. You may not be a racist, but you're still dumb.

...
Husky: Oh, and I'm Dominican, so you hate me, you racist.
Pimp Cup: But most Dominican's are black.
Husky: I DONT CARE!

husky930 said...

Husky: Oh, and I'm Dominican, so you hate me, you racist.
Pimp Cup: But most Dominican's are black.
Husky: I DONT CARE!

I admit that first statement I made was dumb and was something I said out of anger. I actually didn't say anything close to "I don't care" in response to what pimp cup said though. If you look back I actually said that its completely irrelevant when you consider that I'm not even black, plus I put the word rare in quotation marks to basically point out that its a completely false statement to say that most dominicans are black.

mbros612 said...

"True. In this business the primary concern is to field a team rooted in ethics. Mike Vick was nothing but a cash cow. A good-for-nothing whos only claim in the business was funneling cash into the organization and the companies which garnered his endorsement. Schaub on the other hand is much better franchise piece, as is evident in the meteoric rise of the Texans."


lgf, I am not suggesting that Schaub was the better or more marketable guy to build the franchise around. The Texans may not be a great team but they are improving and Schaub is part of the reason things are looking up for Houston (injuries have been unfortunate, though).

Anyhow... I was merely pointing out that the Falcons DID stick by Vick and gave him a huge vote of confidence as their guy, a decision that IN HINDSIGHT was, of course, the wrong one. There is no arguing otherwise.

Vick endangered his own career and screwed the Falcons by taking part in his illegal enterprise, regardless of what his motives were. He was given everything and blew it big time.

People can make all the excuses in the world for him, and paint him as the victim in this. They can blame the Falcons organization for not "mentoring" him or whatever. It doesn't change the facts that he is responsible for his actions. Get over it.

Besides, while Vick was an exceptional athlete and very talented player, he never quite lived up to the enormous hype around him since entering the league. The way he was hyped up you'd have thought he'd be a top quarterback by the time all this went down...

madd hatter said...

I am enjoying watching Hall get his licks in on Petrino. After his being made out to be the bad guy, it's clear that Petrino was the real issue.

Dave the Wave said...

"So you're basically openly admitting you're a racist, thats cool."

no. not racist.

realist.

you should be one, too. you wouldn't be so angry.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"that its a completely false statement to say that most dominicans are black."

Sir, then let's make that falsehood a truth:

most successful dominican athletes are black.


High Five!

RighteousReasoner said...

Coming up tomorrow:

Roger Clemens is the white devil post.

Barry Bonds is the Negro victim post.

Bank on it.

husky930 said...

that its a completely false statement to say that most dominicans are black."

Sir, then let's make that falsehood a truth:

most successful dominican athletes are black.


High Five!"
You are absolutely right, but that has absolutely no relevance to what we've been talking about, I'll give you a pass though because any time you incorporate Borat into an argument you're good with me.
Time to go see I am Legend, fun topic even though it got heated at times, I was wrong for a few of the things I said and for those things I apologize. PEACE

Lil John's Pimp Cup said...

> Oh, and to the guy that said "most dominicans are black", that is completely irrelevant to me, because I happen to be one of those "rare" dominicans that isn't black, you fucking idiot.

Denying you are black?...

Who is the real racist?

Brendan said...

how could you defend vick at all? regardless of race, he's a bad person. don't use this whole 'white man trained vick to think a certain way' bullshit. any real human learns, particularly by the time he or she is 27, to think for themselves. you cannot argue that and any such attempts are futile. also, you act as if it is okay to use dogs for fighting and gambling and amusement. is that because they are lesser animals than man? if so, then you surely cannot argue for the way the white devil has treated all other races because he simply believed they were lesser animals. if you take that as a racist remark, you're dumb and incapable of deep thinking.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"if you take that as a racist remark, you're dumb and incapable of deep thinking."

Sir, but that doesn't change the fact it is a racist remark, does it?

Exactly.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"if so, then you surely cannot argue for the way the white devil has treated all other races because he simply believed they were lesser animals."

Sir, we find it interesting that you analogize by rationalizing humans as animals.

And use the white animal as your king of the food chain.

And then try to safeguard your poor analogy and skewered logic which proves no point and back no relevent argument with a comment to the effect that if you we don't think what you think we are morons.

Your logic is flawed and your analogy is not related to the discussion.

All it does is serve as means for you to try to slide your racist point of view into an otherwise meaningful and informative discussion.

Brendan said...

do you truly not believe that humans are animals? i suggest you take any basic science class then and learn about the modern world. also, simply because you do not understand an analogy does not mean that it is a poor one. i was simply pointing out that rationalizing dog fighting by way of reasoning that dogs are below humans is poor logic. much the same way that reasoning one particular ethnicity is lesser than another. also, i was not creating that analogy, sir, but merely referencing what was a common belief up until the last century. sorry you don't know your history well and that you are unable to comprehend simple sentences.

censored said...

So, if we indict Vick for training dogs to be killers....Let's indict the old white men that run sports in this country for training Vick to put his self interest above right and wrong.


Or we could blame Vick's father for not sticking around to raise him the right way...morality is taught from an early age and Vick is a victim...unfortunately so are 70 percent of his community. But continue to blame the white man...whether they give a black man opportunity or not they are the cause of all the ills in the community...oh wait i forgot slavery has made it impossible for a black man to raise his children.

censored said...

Vick was trained from the moment he was ID'd as a superior athlete that he could get away without weighing right and wrong in his actions.

why wasnt he being trained in weighing right and wrong in his actions before he was ID'd as a superior athlete...hmmm....i know you are ugly but try to look in the mirror sometimes.

censored said...

Unfortunately, the laws in this country are designed to only punish the actor of the crime, and not all those people who helped make the criminal.


good point..put mike vicks parents in jail now!! oh wait..we cant find his daddy.

Lil John's Pimp Cup said...

> i was simply pointing out that rationalizing dog fighting by way of reasoning that dogs are below humans is poor logic. much the same way that reasoning one particular ethnicity is lesser than another.

wow...

brendan... white bread... you need to think through how you come off when you analogize being an animal to being black (or "ethnicity")... racist much?

Regardless of whether dog fighting is right or wrong, you make a poor argument, with, yes, poor analogies...

The thing is: dogs ARE below humans, regardless of whether dogfighting is right or wrong... blacks (or other "ethinicities"") are NOT below humans, whitey just tried to treat them that way...

...dayumm... this cracka need a thump upside da head...

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"also, i was not creating that analogy, sir, but merely referencing what was a common belief up until the last century. "

Sir, seriously, if you consider humans to be on par with animals.

We can desist with any rational discussion.

Because animals can't have rational discussions, can they, sir?

Exactly.

And, we'll take some basic science classes when you take some basic logic classes, fair enough?

WindRider95 said...

From CNN: The NFL has fined five Atlanta Falcons players after they showed support for disgraced quarterback Michael Vick during the Falcons nationally televised loss to the New Orleans Saints last Monday.

The NFL said the very public displays of support for Vick violated NFL uniform code policy in a couple of cases and, in fact, was so "in the face" of NFL leadership that the fines were doubled in some cases.

Tight end Alge Crumpler, cornerbacks DeAngelo Hall and Chris Houston and wide receiver Roddy White were fined $10,000 each. Hall and Crumpler wore black eye strips with writing on them supporting Vick. Hall also carried a poster supporting Vick which he taped to the back of the bench where players sit.

It would appear that once again, the NFL is the No Fun League.

Or perhaps, something else.

nation_of_islam_sportsblog said...

"Or perhaps, something else."

Sir, something else indeed....our most recent post sheds righteous light on this topic and provides the accurate interpretation of the NFL's decision, the players intention and the social meaning.

As usual.

MMurr said...

Probably a bit late to comment on this post, but a pretty good article by Pat Forde (linked to by another blog) talking about Petrino's history of taking the money and running.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3151061