If you follow baseball, you are probably aware of the troubles that have followed misunderstood Devil Rays' player Elijah Dukes.
Dukes has suffered through some difficult times, the latest being a turbulent marriage encumbered with domestic disputes and accusations of threats.
In an effort to help young Dukes, veteran player Gary Sheffield has reached out to act as a mentor or guide.
Sheffield would seem to be a perfect fit to help young Dukes through this troubling time, as Sheffield has a unique and logical approach to life. And an intimate understanding of what is going on in the world of baseball.
Folks have been documenting and addressing the fact that their is a noticeable decrease in roster spots for African-American players in recent years. This alarming decrease has been investigated and many possible reasons have been purported.
To find the real and obvious reasons, sometimes we overlook the best sources. How about the input of a long time Negro player?
What does Sheffield have to say about the dwindling number of African-Americans in the big leagues?
"I called it years ago. What I called is that you're going to see more black faces, but there ain't no English going to be coming out. … [It's about] being able to tell [Latin players] what to do -- being able to control them," he told the magazine.
"Where I'm from, you can't control us. You might get a guy to do it that way for a while because he wants to benefit, but in the end, he is going to go back to being who he is. And that's a person that you're going to talk to with respect, you're going to talk to like a man.
"These are the things my race demands. So, if you're equally good as this Latin player, guess who's going to get sent home? I know a lot of players that are home now can outplay a lot of these guys."
Sheffield is saying the things that others are afraid to say.
We hope that the wisdom he imparts on young Dukes is effective in helping Dukes adjust to life in the big leagues.
And, if it isn't, and Dukes ends up at home. At least now we will have a better insight as to why.
It all comes down to control.
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And, if it isn't, and Dukes ends up at home. At least now we will have a better insight as to why.
Dukes probably wont end up at home..unless you call a prison cell a home. His wife has recorded phone messages of him threatening her life and has a restraining order against him yet you defend him as a victim..unreal. That is why you are a fool...you dont call bad behavior for what it is.
Shef's comments could be deemed as bigoted to latino players. Latino players dominate because culturally they love the game of baseball and play it all year. Again a black man using his opinion to fabricate anti-black sentiment when it does not exist. The best players in MLB are latino..in fact it is not even close...A-Rod, Pujols, Reyes, Johan Santana..the list goes on and on.
Shef is your perfect mentor.. a guy who admitted to intentionally making errors early in his career in an effort to get traded. A guy who has been linked to steroid use. A guy who doesnt last for more than 3 years on any team he plays for.
Just one more thing..how in the world is sheffields opinion on why the number of blacks is dwindling in MLB in any way connected to his ability to help Dukes with problems in his PERSONAL LIFE. Is it your contention that the devil rays somehow made dukes go to his wifes place of employment and threaten her so they could get him out of baseball. That is ridiculous. If Shef was commenting on the situation with the braves then his opinion would make sense but you using this as an example of how he could mentor dukes is a stretch to say the least.
This is a problem of athletic privelege...a talent thinking they could get away with anything (even with death threats) but you want to make it into a racial thing so you stretch the story to include sheffs opinions on why the number of blacks is declining in MLB...well done.
"Shef's comments could be deemed as bigoted to latino players."
Sir, how so? Shef has been in the bigs for almost 20 years. He has based his words on what he has seen first hand.
You continually accuse the Negro community and Negro men and women of spefic things. And you base your words on nothing but YOUR impression.
Admit your bigotry.
Do it now.
Bigot.
"A guy who has been linked to steroid use"
Sir, several Latino players have been linked to steroid use.
Yet you support them.
Such bigotry is offensive and disheartening.
"Is it your contention that the devil rays somehow made dukes go to his wifes place of employment and threaten her so they could get him out of baseball. That is ridiculous."
Sir, we dismiss this rhetorical question on the grounds that you are silly.
"but you want to make it into a racial thing so you stretch the story to include sheffs opinions'
Sir, if Shef is going to mentor Dukes, his OPINIONS will be the basis of the mentoring, dontchya think? (wait, don't answer that...)
Shef's opinions on this issue allow us to see his thought process and logic. They let us see where his mind's at...and they allow us to understand the deep insight the man has for the game. The deep insight he can share with Dukes.
It really isn't all that hard to get...sheesh.
Hello there children. Should I include my opinions on Scientology and Chocolate Salty Balls whilst I mentor young Dukes? BTW, you spelled my name wrong.
you duck all my questions by just yelling "bigot"....tell me how Dukes is "misunderstood". Tell me how Sheff's OPINION of why there are less blacks shows he can help Dukes with serious off field issues? Can you really logically make any connection in your argument? I dont think anything i am asking is in any way bigoted or racist.
Sir, how so? Shef has been in the bigs for almost 20 years. He has based his words on what he has seen first hand.
Saying that a certain segment can be "controlled" because of their nationality is somewhat bigoted. The MLB players union is probably the strongest in sports and supports all players equally. I think Sheffields statements somewhat devalues the talent level of the latino players. He has no real proof, what he is saying is opinion. I just pointed out that the best players in baseball are latino so it would make sense that teams tap into that resource for more players.
Could it be that Sheff is upset about a group of people supposedly getting preferential treatment because of their nationality...hmmmmmm interesting concept.
Sir, if Shef is going to mentor Dukes, his OPINIONS will be the basis of the mentoring, dontchya think? (wait, don't answer that...)
Shef's opinions on this issue allow us to see his thought process and logic. They let us see where his mind's at...and they allow us to understand the deep insight the man has for the game. The deep insight he can share with Dukes.
It really isn't all that hard to get...sheesh.
The problem is that Dukes problems have NOTHING to do with the GAME. They are off field issues...now if Shef was someone who had problems with domestic violence and straightened himself out then great...counsel this kid but you are comparing two different things.
you are so hell bent of bringing race into every issue that you are losing your mind.
You cant just congratulate Latinos for the successes they have had in MLB...you have to try to find fault in it...reasons beyond the fact that they are extremely talented...you sir are extremely bigoted.
" I think Sheffields statements somewhat devalues the talent level of the latino players"
Sir, Shef has been in the bigs 20 years and seen things first hand.
You are racist nut who probably can't hit a ball off a tee.
Shef 1
Racist Nut 0
"you duck all my questions by just yelling "bigot"....tell me how Dukes is "misunderstood". Tell me how Sheff's OPINION of why there are less blacks shows he can help Dukes with serious off field issues?"
Sir, we've ducked none of your dunce like questions.
Don't blame us because you don't understand the answers.
"He has no real proof, what he is saying is opinion."
Hello, pot...meet the racist kettle.
"You cant just congratulate Latinos for the successes they have had in MLB...you have to try to find fault in it"
Sir, Gary Sheffield is not a contributor to this blog.
Gary Sheffield made the statement.
We linked to it.
Direct this complaint to Gary.
Thanks.
"The problem is that Dukes problems have NOTHING to do with the GAME. They are off field issues"
FINALLY!
THANK YOU!
They are off the FIELD issues. And should have nothing to do with the game.
This is the first time you have said anything of value.
And, based on your unequivocal statement above...we say
SET PACMAN FREE
His suspension has NOTHING to do with on the field activity.
You just made an amazing point.
Thanks for that.
"Hello there children. Should I include my opinions on Scientology and Chocolate Salty Balls whilst I mentor young Dukes? BTW, you spelled my name wrong. "
Sir, you should include anything that will help him
BTW, one of our bloggers saw you leaving International Plaza not long ago, with a bag from Nordstroms...what did you purchase?
Thanks.
They are off the FIELD issues. And should have nothing to do with the game.
This is the first time you have said anything of value.
And, based on your unequivocal statement above...we say
SET PACMAN FREE
His suspension has NOTHING to do with on the field activity.
You just made an amazing point.
All you do is run around in circles...what does this have to do with PAC MAN!!!! about as much as sheffs comments have to do with Dukes!!! fool!!!
Dukes is still playing isnt he?? You still dont answer any of the legitimate questions i asked because you have no answer. You dont want to admit that the only reason you made this post is because you are bigoted at your very core!!
" I think Sheffields statements somewhat devalues the talent level of the latino players"
Sir, Shef has been in the bigs 20 years and seen things first hand.
You are racist nut who probably can't hit a ball off a tee.
Nothing I am saying here is racist...find an example in this post that shows racism...you want to explain away your lousy post by calling ME racist but in fact it is Sheffield making those comments. He is saying the reason why there is an explosion of latino players in baseball is because they can be "controlled" and I say it demeans the obvious talent these players have. Anyone watching the game for the last 20 years can see that Latino players have become the best in the business. The player stats dont lie!!! Shefs is a guy who has not honored contracts in the past looking for extensions..In other words how do you trust the words of a man who doesnt even honor his own word.
And just for your own info I played LF for a Division 1 program you idiot.
Here is how the Shef mentor will work: "hey dukes where you goin?"
dukes: "just goin to kill my wife"
shef: "just so you know if you do that they are going to replace you on the roster with a latino"
dukes: "really...cant let that happen...my wife can live...thanks shef"
Gary Sheffield has been a great player for a long time. He just wants to play ball and be left alone.
It's funny, people LOVE when Schilling gives his opinions and impressions on the game, life, politics, whatever.
Here, you have a thoughtful (albeit somewhat introverted and non-gregarous)black guy who does it, and people get mad.
Why isn't he entitled to have a point of view after spending over half his life in the majors?
"You dont want to admit that the only reason you made this post is because you are bigoted at your very core!!"
Sir, we put up a post that gave some insight into where Shef is coming from.
Sorry if it hurt your feelings that he doesn't see the world through your white, racist eyes.
"what does this have to do with PAC MAN!!!!"
Sir, it relates to Pacman, in that, it demonstrates that YOU believe off the field issues have nothing to do with on the field.
We appreciate that YOU now admit you support Pacman.
It shows progress in your overcoming your racist tendencies.
:)
Sheff is an ideal mentor to the troubled young Negro. Sheff could counsel him on how to react when a sex tape comes out that shows your wife getting railed by another dude, and perhaps Mr. Dukes can counsel Sheff on how to threaten to kill the aforementioned wife or procreate at an alarming rate (5 kids by the age of 22, a stunning batting average if you ask me).
"And just for your own info I played chased butterflies in RF in little league, you idiot."
FIXED!
"Here is how the Shef mentor will work: "hey dukes where you goin?"
dukes: "just goin to kill my wife"
shef: "just so you know if you do that they are going to replace you on the roster with a latino"
dukes: "really...cant let that happen...my wife can live...thanks shef"
dude, you should write screenplays. you make dialogue come to life. and the humor. oh the humor!
Gary Sheffield has been a great player for a long time. He just wants to play ball and be left alone.
It's funny, people LOVE when Schilling gives his opinions and impressions on the game, life, politics, whatever.
Here, you have a thoughtful (albeit somewhat introverted and non-gregarous)black guy who does it, and people get mad.
Why isn't he entitled to have a point of view after spending over half his life in the majors?
He is absolutely entitled to his opinion...all i am saying is how is this possibly tied to the dukes situation?? how does this in any way show that he can mentor Dukes who threatened the life of his wife. The problem is that NOIS is posting the sheff story this way to put a racist spin on the Dukes story...he is bringing a race issue into a forum where none exists...and then calls people who challenge him bigots.
Plus you can bet if Schilling said that the number of latinos in the game was growing because they can be "controlled" he would be labeled a racist in 2 seconds.
"Sheff is an ideal mentor to the troubled young Negro. Sheff could counsel him on how to react when a sex tape comes out that shows your wife getting railed by another dude, and perhaps Mr. Dukes can counsel Sheff on how to threaten to kill the aforementioned wife or procreate at an alarming rate (5 kids by the age of 22, a stunning batting average if you ask me). "
dayum!
the cat gots some potency in them swimmers!
"how does this in any way show that he can mentor Dukes who threatened the life of his wife."
Well, Shef never said this was strictly about the wife thing, man.
He is helping Dukes understand the game and the realities of big league ball. And this is part of it.
"he is bringing a race issue into a forum where none exists"
doesn't exist? please. white player Josh Hamilton runs off and rides the white horse for 5 years, and he gets help and is back in the bigs. Why not help this young black man to save his career?
"and then calls people who challenge him bigots."
I don't know what you been reading, but i've read your comments. Man, you do come across as a racist.
I commend NOIS for calling you on it. You think its ok for you to degrad the black community, say that racism dont exist, say that slavery has left no effect on blacks, say that blacks are their own problem. And then you bitch when he puts up a post that shows that white players are out having babies out of marriage and shit. And you get mad and start saying racist things.
Man, you come across on here as the grand wizard. Deny it all you want. But everyone reading it sees it. Even some of the white commentors have said you got issues.
I'm just saying.
Anyway, i'm sure you will launch into a verbal tirade at me next.
You dont want to admit that the only reason you made this post is because you are bigoted at your very core!!"
Sir, we put up a post that gave some insight into where Shef is coming from.
Sorry if it hurt your feelings that he doesn't see the world through your white, racist eyes.
My white racist eyes?? i pointed out that his words were racist against LATINOS. But of course in your world that is okay.
Again this has nothing to do with pacman..you genius. You made a post showing an example of why Sheff would be a good mentor to Dukes...Sheffs thoughts on the subject you posted have nothing at all to do with Dukes situation. Your post like most of your opinions are very flawed. Now if perhaps you found a Carl Everett who has experience beating his wife and was willing to council Dukes on the downfalls of doing so..that would make sense.
So now call me a racist again for exposing you for the fraud you are..you are the one with the need to put race into every issue...i would say it is the pot calling the kettle black but you would just accuse me of using racist terms again......In summation sir, you are a jackass...thank you.
" how does this in any way show that he can mentor Dukes "
it clearly shows that Gary understands the show. It shows that Gary has the knowledge of how the system operates and can ehlp the kid understand it as well. it shows that he is an intellectual.
"My white racist eyes?? i pointed out that his words were racist against LATINOS. But of course in your world that is okay."
Sir, what did he say that was racist?
He gave his impression as to why latino players are prolific in the league right now.
He didn't degrade them in anyway.
If Schilling had said this, you be goose stepping along behind him.
"he is bringing a race issue into a forum where none exists"
doesn't exist? please. white player Josh Hamilton runs off and rides the white horse for 5 years, and he gets help and is back in the bigs. Why not help this young black man to save his career?
Josh Hamilton had a drug problem...he never threatened to MURDER!! He was released by the devil rays and had to work his way back through independent leagues..dont try to paint the picture that he was handed a job back. Also if you bring up "white player" josh hamilton getting a second chance after drug addiction then surely you must acknowledge the multiple chances given to say a Darryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden...are they white? Again i did not make this an issue of race..NOIS did...his quote from sheffield was about race and he tried to somehow link it to Dukes. If the quote from sheff talked about how he can help dukes because he too had behavioral problems early in his career then that would make sense. But using this apples and oranges comparison just proves that NOIS just wants to make everything a racial issue.
"Now if perhaps you found a Carl Everett who has experience beating his wife"
Sir, you don't get it.
Shef isn't counselling Dukes about beating his wife.
Dukes problems are a symptom of a complete lack of concern shown by his team towards him as a PERSON.
Shef is going to humanize Dukes and help him understand the ways of the world and MLB.
Also, please stop telling us what our posts SHOULD be about.
You don't understand the connection between Shef's statements and his reaching out to Dukes.
That's fine.
However, just because YOU don't see the connection, doesn't mean there isn't one.
Much of what you say is blind rage and emotion. You don't see clearly. So, you not getting the gist of a post is no shock.
Look toward yourself to find the disconnect.
See, we aren't white supremists like you. So, generally, you aren't going to agree with our posts or understand the underlying messgage.
Start your own blog?
maybe?
Sir, what did he say that was racist?
He gave his impression as to why latino players are prolific in the league right now.
He didn't degrade them in anyway.
Saying that the reason the number of latinos is growing is because they can be "controlled" is not racist? Couldnt you or anyone just point to how statistically latinos are the best players of any race or nationality?? and maybe that is why they are so prolific. You want to defend racist comments by saying what i would do if a white player said the same thing....this again shows how you just run in circles...it is cool for you do speak in a racist tone but you label anyone who disagrees with you...i would call you a hypocrit again but what is the point.
"Darryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden...are they white?"
Nope, and they done jail time.
Did Hamilton?
"But using this apples and oranges comparison just proves that NOIS just wants to make everything a racial issue."
You know, i read the post again.
I didn't see anything that led me to believe this was a "racial" issue.
I read the ND quarterback post that you have been whining on also. Again, I didn't see anything racial.
it seems like YOU are coming here. reading the posts and then trying to MAKE them racial issues.
bad form, man.
Dukes problems are a symptom of a complete lack of concern shown by his team towards him as a PERSON.
So dukes goes and threatens to kill his wife because his team wasnt showing enough concern for him..that is laughable even for you. I understand you wont admit when you are being foolish...that would take up too much of your time. Now it is his employers fault...everyone except his own...well done spinmaster..you would make a good DJ in your off time.
" Couldnt you or anyone just point to how statistically latinos are the best players of any race or nationality?? "
Sir, we linked to a QUOTE!
If you have a beef with the QUOTE, take it to Sheffield.
Seriously, all we did is report what HE said. Now, you want us to conduct an MLB demographics study to explain his statement?
You're silly.
And, do you realize, that by saying "latinos are the best players of any race", you are being racist?
You get mad when we point out that Negroes are the best at football and basketball. You call us racist for that.
Take it back. Admit we aren't racist for that.
"You want to defend racist comments "
Actually, it is you that defends and makes racist comments.
We just reported what Shef said.
And it was one man's impression on the changing face of baseball.
"Darryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden...are they white?"
Nope, and they done jail time.
Did Hamilton?
Did they do jail time while they were playing?? or are we talking about athletic privleges here and not race??
"So dukes goes and threatens to kill his wife because his team wasnt showing enough concern for him"
Sir, we are sure you never have lost your patience and told someone or said "i want to kill you"...it's an emotional response to frustration.
"Did they do jail time while they were playing?? or are we talking about athletic privleges here and not race?? "
Did they get hemmed up while they were playing?
Besides, didn't YOU say that Hamilton was out of the game?
So, he wasn't playing either.
Nice try.
Sir, we linked to a QUOTE!
If you have a beef with the QUOTE, take it to Sheffield.
Seriously, all we did is report what HE said. Now, you want us to conduct an MLB demographics study to explain his statement?
You reported what he said as an example of why he would be such a good mentor to a young player struggling in his personal life. Now while i admit it was a totally stupid example by using it in a positive light you imply that you agree with him.
I admit that my words on latinos may have come off a bit twisted..all i meant to say is that because the latinos in mlb are such good players it is not a stretch by any means to see that the number of latin players would go up. I give talent as the reason...Sheff says it is because they can be "controlled".
"So dukes goes and threatens to kill his wife because his team wasnt showing enough concern for him"
Sir, we are sure you never have lost your patience and told someone or said "i want to kill you"...it's an emotional response to frustration.
And the sending of a picture of a gun and showing up at her job site..are those just emotional responses??? more like pre-meditated to me....listen you dont have to defend him just because he is black...it is more respectful to condemn his actions.
Did they get hemmed up while they were playing?
Besides, didn't YOU say that Hamilton was out of the game?
So, he wasn't playing either.
Nice try.
I dont really know what your argument is or why you are trying to defend someone who threatened to kill someone else...really what are you doing?
"You reported what he said as an example of why he would be such a good mentor "
Sir, we reported that what he said shows that he has a unique insight to the bigs and life and intimate understanding of baseball.
And those are the things that will help him counsel Dukes.
Capiche?
"really what are you doing?"
you changed the topic.
now, what are you doing?
"it is more respectful to condemn his actions. "
Sir, and it would be even more respectful to try to help the man.
Like Shef is doing.
i was reading a thread at sj.com about shef's statements.
a lot of the writers there who cover baseball actually agreed with what shef said.
Sir, we reported that what he said shows that he has a unique insight to the bigs and life and intimate understanding of baseball.
And those are the things that will help him counsel Dukes.
Capiche?
what he said was bigoted against latinos...has no proof at all...and has nothing to do with Dukes situation. YOU found a quote from sheffield that was bigoted and related to race in baseball...it had nothing to show he could counsel dukes on his troubles.
""it had nothing to show he could counsel dukes on his troubles"
Sir, prove it.
Put your money where your mouth is. Prove that the quote definitively shows that Shef is incapable of counselling Duke on the trials and tribulations of being in MLB.
Demonstrate it through the quote.
"what he said was bigoted against latinos...has no proof at all"
Sir, what proof does Shef need? This is his opinion based on 20 years in the game. OPINION...
You know..like when you say that Negroes are at fault for the effects of racism on their community. And you have NO facts to back it up. OPINION.
NOIS, could you please change the comment section on here so you HAVE to register.
Please.
Anonymous, you are soooooooo consumed with desparately trying to "prove" nois wrong, that you don't even know when you are getting played.
This is sad to witness.
Sheffield always looks so angry.
He's not a bad looking guy, but the constant frowning is going to give him lines and make him look old way before his time.
"It all comes down to control"
you totally summed it up.
""it had nothing to show he could counsel dukes on his troubles"
Sir, prove it.
Put your money where your mouth is. Prove that the quote definitively shows that Shef is incapable of counselling Duke on the trials and tribulations of being in MLB.
Listen, you are a bigot and I know i cant change that. If you feel that Shef spouting an opinion in which he minimizes the reasons why so many latinos are in MLB proves shef to be a "perfect mentor" then more power to you. They arent there because they are talented but because they can be "controlled". But the fact is that the quote doesnt show how in any way Sheffield is capable of counseling Dukes. His quote has nothing to do with it. Sheff has made many quotes about how he grew up in the same neighborhood as Dukes and went to the same high school and had his share of problems early in his career. If you found one of those quotes then it would show that Sheff has the background and knowledge to help Dukes through his trouble. But you chose a quote that deals with race for no reason other than you are bigoted. The quote shows nothing that would help someone who is in trouble for making DEATH threats to his wife.
The funny thing is that you never once condemn what Dukes did..only give reasons for why other people are to blame for his actions. It is sad really and says alot about your moral makeup. Now post your comment about how I am in the KKK and a racist. It is the card you always play when you cant face truth.
"But the fact is that the quote doesnt show how in any way Sheffield is capable of counseling Dukes.'
Sir, you ignored the question.
PROVE how it shows he would be inadequate as a mentor.
Thanks.
"But the fact is that the quote doesnt show how in any way Sheffield is capable of counseling Dukes.'
Sir, you ignored the question.
PROVE how it shows he would be inadequate as a mentor.
Thanks.
You have ignored my questions all along. This argument you have come up with makes as much sense as how you linked Sheffs quote and Dukes in the first place. Prove how his quote WOULD make him a good mentor when the quote you chose has NOTHING to do with Dukes problems. Your whole point here is downright moronic. You dont realize that by defending it constantly you look like more of a fool.
"Prove how his quote WOULD make him a good mentor'
Sir, NO!
Again you address the wrong task.
We said PROVE how the quote shows he would NOT be a good mentor.
Damn, you are dense.
"You dont realize that by defending it constantly you look like more of a fool"
Sir, prove that with facts.
I'm sorry. I cannot support a fan who tanked plays as a youngster on My Home Baseball team.
I just cannot forgive, and seeing as it was what, six, seven teams ago? I really can't forget.
I will wait your thge young Elijah to start dropping pop-ups any day post suspension.
Dawg.
'Sir, we are sure you never have lost your patience and told someone or said "i want to kill you"'
Sir, as long as these people have a rope and a truck, they will never want for killing anybody.
"Prove how his quote WOULD make him a good mentor'
Sir, NO!
Again you address the wrong task.
We said PROVE how the quote shows he would NOT be a good mentor.
Damn, you are dense.
You are the dense one who comes up with these idiotic links just to put racial spins on everything. So in other words Shef could have said "I think steak is the best food ever". It is an opinion and in no way shows that he couldnt be a good influence on dukes. Of course it has nothing to do with dukes either....just like your quote from Sheff.
And how you equate anything i said with racism is amazing. It just proves the agenda you dont have the balls to admit. You call Dukes "misunderstood". He threatens the life of another person and yet you call him "misunderstood" a victim of the horrible oppression that a multi-million dollar contract to play ball brings. Give me a break..even in this case you cant admit there needs to be some personal responsibility. Maybe sheff can show him the proper way to fire the bullets into his wife...maybe you got the wrong guy...the title should have been "Rae Carruth: the perfect mentor".
Sheff can teach him that if you whine, complain, dont play hard, make errors on purpose then you can get traded. If you sign a contract and then decide you dont like it, just fake an injury and sit out...a shining example of professional athletes at their best...but at least he cant be "controlled" like those latinos. I mean look at that A-Rod playing for only 25 mil a year..what a puppet.
"Shef could have said "I think steak is the best food ever"
Sir, now that is just silly.
Dukes is CLEARLY in excellent physical condition and doesn't need help with nutrition.
You are truly grasping for straws now.
"even in this case you cant admit there needs to be some personal responsibility"
Sir, we admitted that LONG ago. The first time we posted about Dukes.
We said that the owners should be held PERSONALLY accountable for failing him.
Jeez. Do you even read the post prior to complaining?
Sir, we admitted that LONG ago. The first time we posted about Dukes.
We said that the owners should be held PERSONALLY accountable for failing him.
You time and again prove how dumb you are...multiple times the d-rays organization got counseling for him...at some point you have to take responsibility and want to change. Your blame everybody else mentality is disgusting...why do u think so lowly of your own people? If not for the d-rays organization this glorified monster would have been in jail already.
maybe he should get some mentoring from OJ..i mean Sheff could teach him to misplay ground balls but OJ could really help him with the wife killing thing.
I gotta be honest...I am shocked I read this entire diatribe. Train Wreck Theory...
Personal accountability! There's nothing at all wrong with what Gary Sheffield said. Shef is accountable for what he says and does, and he honors that. He's played the game long enough and been in enough clubhouses to earn the right to make whatever claim he feels is accurate. This is a veteran of the workings of a complicated, racially divided game. I may not particularly agree with what he said, but I'm also not a pro baseball player, so I'm not really in a position to argue.
However, I would be very interested to hear how his teammate and future Hall of Fame catcher Ivan Rodriguez will react to this. And I'd LOVE to hear Ozzie Guillen's initial radio interview on the subject.
Sheffield wanting to mentor Dukes is a fine a noble action. Men make mistakes, the best men learn from it, and the first step to is accept help from those who care.
However, that doesn't excuse the mistake. He can be forgiven, but I think it's a bit irresponsible to support the notion that anyone else is culpable for his mistakes.
I wish Shef and Dukes the very best. May Dukes learn to never pitch Shef on the inner half of the plate with runners on base.
"at some point you have to take responsibility and want to change"
agreed. we need to eradicate racism and the injustices that are still prevelent as a result slavery.
"why do u think so lowly of your own people?"
hey cracker fucker. maybe you don't get it by now.
nobody cares about YOUR view of blacks or the problems of the black community.
you have no currency. you are a racist prick. it's clear in every post you make.
trying to guilt people into agreeing with your bullshit by spinning it as having no respect for their own people is pretty sorry.
you've already established that you think that black people are responsible for EVERY problem in the black community.
we get it. thanks for your "informed" input.
now, you are just repeating yourself.
why not move on?
"And, if it isn't, and Dukes ends up at home. At least now we will have a better insight as to why.
It all comes down to control."
NOIS, this statement sums things up perfectly.
"I gotta be honest...I am shocked I read this entire diatribe. Train Wreck Theory..."
it's kind of funny that anonymous can get so spun up and miss the whole pointof the post.
"Shef could have said "I think steak is the best food ever"
I'll grill up some steaks for Shef with my new friend Anonymous' Barbecue Grill. We can eat them while we discuss the facts of life with Brother Dukes.
Praise be to Allah and Tom Cruise!
"We can eat them while we discuss the facts of life with Brother Dukes.
Praise be to Allah and Tom Cruise! "
Tom Cruise is so gay.
your a sorry fuckin crybaby nigger.. boo hoo all those poor niggers on the street corner you want bigotry here you go you are a disgrace to every successful black man woman and child
but what do you expect from a stinky muslim.. 7 shitty muslim countries got there ass kicked by isreal and isreal wasn't even 2 years old.. keep blaming everyone else it really seems to be working for ya
Sir, it's "Israel".
Thought you made a typo and wasn't going to say anything.
Then realized you spelled it wrong every time.
And, realized you are an idiot.
Allahu Akhbar.
Personal accountability! There's nothing at all wrong with what Gary Sheffield said. Shef is accountable for what he says and does, and he honors that. He's played the game long enough and been in enough clubhouses to earn the right to make whatever claim he feels is accurate. This is a veteran of the workings of a complicated, racially divided game. I may not particularly agree with what he said, but I'm also not a pro baseball player, so I'm not really in a position to argue.
The issue is not what sheffield said..it is trying to link it in any way to his ability to help someone like Dukes. Dukes problems have NOTHING to do with what Sheff was talking about. The whole thing was a way for NOIS to twist the Dukes thing into a racial issue.
"at some point you have to take responsibility and want to change"
agreed. we need to eradicate racism and the injustices that are still prevelent as a result slavery.
you are correct..but how does that relate to Dukes who is in trouble for threatening to KILL his wife?
The best thing about this blog is how everyone attacks me but not one person ever said what Dukes did was wrong...HE is labeled as misunderstood...if he actually shot the woman he would be labeled as a young man who was lashing out at white oppression...give me a break...who really is blinded by bigotry when you will go to no end to defend even the worst in people.
And in response to the Israel post...the reason a country smaller in size than the state of New Jersey can consistently withstand the wrath of the evil muslim countries it is surrounded by is because of the ingenuity, strength and intelligence of its people and because of the strenghth of G-d. Those muslim countries are backward and have contributed nothing to societies moving forward in centuries...their infighting and hatred for all views different then theirs drags them into the pits of hell.
"The whole thing was a way for NOIS to twist the Dukes thing into a racial issue."
huh? you realize that Shef is NOT helping Dukes specifically with the threats issue, right? he is helping Shef understand and adjust to being a young black man from the Tampa area in the big leagues. the quote has EVERYTHING to do with it. get a grip man.
"you are correct..but how does that relate to Dukes who is in trouble for threatening to KILL his wife?"
Sir, or, more importantly, how doesn't it?
"withstand the wrath of the evil muslim countries it is surrounded by is because of the ingenuity, strength and intelligence of its people and because of the strenghth of G-d"
Sir, and the backing of the US govt certainly doesn't hurt, does it?
" hatred for all views different then theirs drags them into the pits of hell."
Sir, so you admit that you will be spending eternity in purgatory?
Excellent.
huh? you realize that Shef is NOT helping Dukes specifically with the threats issue, right? he is helping Shef understand and adjust to being a young black man from the Tampa area in the big leagues. the quote has EVERYTHING to do with it. get a grip man.
The last thing right now that Dukes should be worried about is baseball. I mean this is insane how you just ignore the fact that this guy was threatening to KILL someone...is that not a big deal?? guess not
"withstand the wrath of the evil muslim countries it is surrounded by is because of the ingenuity, strength and intelligence of its people and because of the strenghth of G-d"
Sir, and the backing of the US govt certainly doesn't hurt, does it?
Those muslim countries are some of the most financially wealthy countries in the world...it has more to do with the people than with who is backing them.
" hatred for all views different then theirs drags them into the pits of hell."
Sir, so you admit that you will be spending eternity in purgatory?
Excellent.
i dont hate...i feel pity...continually defending poor behavior and excusing it digs you deeper into a hole...i wish you would fix things.
"you are correct..but how does that relate to Dukes who is in trouble for threatening to KILL his wife?"
Sir, or, more importantly, how doesn't it?
So you are saying he is justified in threatening to kill his wife...is that really the type of thing you want to find excuses for?
Why cant you at least condemn him for his actions in this case? you cant because you are twisted.
" I mean this is insane how you just ignore the fact that this guy was threatening to KILL someone."
the cat was pissed off at his old lady. like he is the first person to tell his old lady he want to kill her. puhleez!
"it has more to do with the people than with who is backing them. "
man, you are a nut job.
ain't one of those countries that can come close to providing the financial, technological, intelligence and military support the US can.
now you just playing stupid.
"it has more to do with the people "
BUZZ!
"i wish you would fix things"
Sir, we can't fix your racist views.
That's up to you to correct.
We appreciate you coming here to solicit our help tho.
Shows at least you are trying.
Wow, Mr. Nation Of Islam Idiotblog, you are indeed a mentally twisted individual. Its actually kinda funny reading your predictable take on every subject. I would have never guessed you would support G. Sheffield and his stupid rant.
"I would have never guessed you would support G. Sheffield and his stupid rant."
Sir, support?
We simply quoted him
Didn't say we supported his take on things.
That's your incorrect assumption that just because we link to something it means we agree 100%.
Very astute of you.
"i wish you would fix things"
I bet you do.
because you and yours have shown that all you can do is fuck things up.
taking a page from your rhetorical handbook, let me return to repetition:
CARRY YOUR OWN DAMN BAGGAGE!
oh great, Scoop Jackson, Jr is back.
Just say something!
"Why cant you at least condemn him for his actions in this case?"
you want to "condemn" the man.
I think he needs a mentor, somebody to help him cope with his situation in life. Maybe somebody with experience dealing with some of the social problems in his profession.
These are two different ways of addressing what I would agree is undesirable.
we don't have to accept your way.
"Just one more thing.."
If only this had been true when you wrote it.
Sir, support?
We simply quoted him
Didn't say we supported his take on things.
That's your incorrect assumption that just because we link to something it means we agree 100%.
Very astute of you.
No you just used it as an example of why he would be a good mentor to troubled youth...you twist more than al sharptons banana hammock in the wind.
"Just say something!"
you lack the perspective to realize that what I am saying is everything.
you think that, because your point of view aligns with dominant mainstream thought, that you are actually correct
then you insist that we all fall in line with your manner of thinking
we have tried time and again to help you understand that this is not going to happen
I have personally repeatedly attempted to explain to you that we are all too familiar with your opinions and have attempted various means of bringing more out of you.
This has gone on for weeks and it's apparent that YOU have learned nothing.
That is fair, because I have learned nothing from YOU.
But I am disappointed in myself, because unlike YOU I had something to offer.
Now, was that 'something' to YOU?
I think he needs a mentor, somebody to help him cope with his situation in life. Maybe somebody with experience dealing with some of the social problems in his profession.
Here we go again...how do your perceived social problems in baseball have anything to do with what this guy did in his personal life?? And for all you who defend him because you say that everyone has threatened their spouse at one time you are disgusting. This was not a knee jerk reaction...he left a message on her phone and e-mailed her a picture of a gun and confronted her at her workplace. It says alot about any people that would defend his actions.
you think that, because your point of view aligns with dominant mainstream thought, that you are actually correct.
yes who needs rules and law anyway...man oh man what a world it would be...set every criminal free cause his momma didnt love him enough....or better yet blame whitey.
"It says alot about any people that would defend his actions."
personally, i am not defending his actions
i am willing to defend him
i think he is entitled to that
"who needs rules and law anyway?"
if the rule of law does not apply equally to all men, it is none at all
keep up the bad work
bang-up job of creating an enlightened society so far
bravo
"it has more to do with the people than with who is backing them. "
man, you are a nut job.
ain't one of those countries that can come close to providing the financial, technological, intelligence and military support the US can.
now you just playing stupid.
yes because as financially rich that these muslim countries are they oppress their people, limit free thought and thereby limit creativity and ingenuity. It isnt a surprise that something called "nation of islam sportsblog" would not take a stand against a person threatening the safety of a woman.
You can write off Israel as a product of US support all you want but in reality they are a shining example of what happens when free market and democracy reign. Outnumbered by millions in population by the oil rich muslim nations that surround them..and they are the only ones advancing society in areas of technology and medicine. Forced to pay a 50 percent income tax to support a military because they are surrounded by those who only know how to destroy.
"No you just used it as an example of why he would be a good mentor to troubled youth..."
Sir,indeed we did.
We said it was an example of his unique personal take on the league.
You dispute this being true?
"he left a message on her phone and e-mailed her a picture of a gun and confronted her at her workplace. It says alot about any people that would defend his actions."
...and he didn't do anything to her.
You forgot to mention that, satan.
"set every criminal free cause his momma didnt love him enough"
and this is where you make your fatal error.
almost to a man, the black athletes you have raged against have not even been to TRIAL yet.
you have convicted them in your mind already.
sad.
"they are a shining example of what happens when free market and democracy reign"
the US could take a lesson from them, then.
We have too many people repressed and oppressed in our country to legitimately say that either a free market or democracy exist.
Until the field is level, we can't claim either.
"he left a message on her phone and e-mailed her a picture of a gun and confronted her at her workplace. It says alot about any people that would defend his actions."
...and he didn't do anything to her.
You forgot to mention that, satan.
oh...wait...now if he really killed her THAT would be when a crime took place..OHHH...so terrorizing someone is okay in your book...again nobody is willing to say what he did was wrong....you are morally bankrupt.
Sir,indeed we did.
We said it was an example of his unique personal take on the league.
You dispute this being true?
It had nothing to do with Dukes' situation and provided no insight as to how sheff would council him with issues that had NOTHING to do with baseball. And being in the game a long time does not allow you to make racist statements. For example, Al Campanis, a long time dodger executive said that with his experiences he didnt feel blacks had the capabilities to hold high managment positions in baseball. His comments were racist and wrong and just because he was in the game for a long time did not mean that his views were valid. The same can be said for Sheff's anti-latino comments. Or maybe you can you have made an art of selectively pointing out racism.
almost to a man, the black athletes you have raged against have not even been to TRIAL yet.
you have convicted them in your mind already.
and the white athletes NOIS mentioned have not been to trial yet either.
"they are a shining example of what happens when free market and democracy reign"
the US could take a lesson from them, then.
We have too many people repressed and oppressed in our country to legitimately say that either a free market or democracy exist.
Oh please...where would you find greater opportunity? There are problems here but you could take a lesson from the jews and rise even in the face of oppression everywhere.
"and provided no insight as to how sheff would council him with issues that had NOTHING to do with baseball. "
Sir, you sure you wanna stand by that statement?
:)
"and the white athletes NOIS mentioned have not been to trial yet either. "
actually, the prostitute ring guy PLEAD to the charge, dummy.
and, NOIS NEVER said the others were GUILTY. unlike you. who defines every black athlete accused as guilty.
"and provided no insight as to how sheff would council him with issues that had NOTHING to do with baseball. "
Sir, you sure you wanna stand by that statement?
Yes there are several quotes from sheff that explain how he grew up just like dukes and shared similar experiences..but you found a quote that put a racist spin on why so may latinos are in baseball. Why cant you admit that you made a huge stretch just to get a racist story out there...or is it only racist when it deals with blacks?
"anti-latino"
anti?
oh stop. the guy said nothing ANTI latino. you are a joke.
you spew nothing but racist stuff against blacks and you think that is fine. but a guy says that maybe a reason the latinos are excelling is because they are easier to manage is "anti-latino".
man, just go the fuck away. you make NO sense and don't even understand that NOIS has made a complete fool of you.
and, NOIS NEVER said the others were GUILTY. unlike you. who defines every black athlete accused as guilty.
oh please..you are a joke...dukes' wife had his threat on tape...why cant you just admit what he did was wrong instead of finding these bullshit excuses
"but you found a quote that put a racist spin on why so may latinos are in baseball"
Sir, you just don't get it.
Too sad.
"why cant you just admit what he did was wrong "
i just looked through this, and nowhere did anyone say it wasn't wrong.
but, what does that have to do with Shef taking the kid under his wing?
nothing
LOL.
"wife had his threat on tape...why cant you just admit what he did was wrong
and your thoughts are in "print" here, why can't you admit you are an idiot.
you spew nothing but racist stuff against blacks and you think that is fine. but a guy says that maybe a reason the latinos are excelling is because they are easier to manage is "anti-latino".
man, just go the fuck away. you make NO sense and don't even understand that NOIS has made a complete fool of you.
Just because you buy into NOIS' half truths and arent smart enough to think for yourself doesnt mean what i say has no validity.
Sheff didnt say that latinos were easier to manage he said they were easier to "control". Meaning that the extremely high talent level that latinos in mlb show isnt the real reason alot of scouting takes place in latin countries. That is racist.
I mean it seems Sheff is saying that a group of people are getting positions regardless of talent level just because they belong to a certain ethnic group...Now THAT never happens does it?
i just looked through this, and nowhere did anyone say it wasn't wrong.
NO no dukes is just misunderstood.
"a group of people are getting positions regardless of talent level just because they belong to a certain ethnic group...Now THAT never happens does it?"
we're pretty sure this is how you got your job
"wife had his threat on tape...why cant you just admit what he did was wrong
and your thoughts are in "print" here, why can't you admit you are an idiot.
again you dont disprove anything i write..you just insult..no wonder you accept the immoral and illegal behavior of Dukes.
"a group of people are getting positions regardless of talent level just because they belong to a certain ethnic group...Now THAT never happens does it?"
we're pretty sure this is how you got your job
wow...good one...well thought out response...you should be proud.
"again you dont disprove anything i write"
ever word you type is self exclusive, dingbat.
you disprove yourself with your completely missing the point of EVERY post.
you are a walking disproval.
"wow...good one...well thought out response...you should be proud."
and that is a fabulous zinger in its own right.
Didn't I tell you to get a new act?
This one is failing at a rapid rate.
"wow...good one...well thought out response...you should be proud."
and that is a fabulous zinger in its own right.
Didn't I tell you to get a new act?
This one is failing at a rapid rate.
I am the voice of reason in this vapid wasteland.
"wow...good one...well thought out response...you should be proud."
sir anonymous, the only way you're qualified for whatever job you do
is if there's 99 other chimps in the room with you
so we could only conclude that your membership in a certain fictional generic ethnic group was a factor in your hiring decision
"I am the voice of reason in this vapid wasteland. "
LOL.
Well, how about using that reason to actually read and understand a post or two, before you go off with you impotent attacks.
"impotent "
hey anonymous, give me a call
Well, how about using that reason to actually read and understand a post or two, before you go off with you impotent attacks.
Do they call you bouncer because of all the balls bouncing on your chin?
"Do they call you bouncer because of all the balls bouncing on your chin? "
let's use one of your awesome responses to address that...
"wow...good one...well thought out response...you should be proud. "
And, if it isn't, and Dukes ends up at home. At least now we will have a better insight as to why.
It all comes down to control.
Yes it does....the lack of self-control. Thankfully this animal didnt get to carry out his plan....yet.
"Yes it does....the lack of self-control. Thankfully this animal didnt get to carry out his plan....yet. "
wait!
what!
no way!
anonymous actually might have got it!!!
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